Sure, absent evidence, absent context, but with a generous dose of strategic hyperbole, anyone can make what ever assumptions they would like to. To what end?
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24-25 MBB Team
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Are Grad Transfers relevant to your concerns about students graduating?
MaybeaBuff
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Investigating College Basketball's Transfer Movement
Transfers have become a vitally important aspect of college basketball. Adding players from the transfer market to fill out rosters can sometimes mean the difference between winning a national championship and suffering an early tournament defeat. Losing players via transfer also carries a...
athleticdirectoru.com
This article is dated, 7 years old, but it goes into pretty good depth on the transfer situation. The numbers have only grown since 2017. Like I said over the past couple years there have been in excess of 2000 basketball players in the portal each year. With 315 schools and say an average of 18 kids that's 5,670 total players including walk-ons. 4095 scholarship players. If 2000 or more are in the portal, each year that is at minimum 40% turnover every year, which doesn't include people that run out of eligibility. So there may not be a massive number of 4 or 5 school kids, there is a large percentage that are moving to 3 schools, and as we continue to move through this evolution the 4 school thing will become more regular. Even with the 2 or 3 multi school transfer graduation during eligibility is plummeting to Bob Huggins rates in many universities across the country, because credits don't always transfer and actually obtaining a degree is very difficult if you move even more than once. I don't know the specifics on grad transfers, but there are far more non grad transfers. The fact that this is now a pay to play system, the whole scenario has become a bastardized shell of what it once was. My point was this has become business more than education. If you want to just focus on my hyperbole and exaggeration that is your choice. The fact is the the pay to play system has changed college athletics to a completely different beast. Ask UNLV if they'd like there quarterback under center or in a court trying to get more dollars.
Maybe 2000 entered the portal? Where are you getting that number?
Transfer Portal Data: Division I Student-Athlete Transfer Trends
Transfer Portal Data: Division I Student-Athlete Transfer Trends
www.ncaa.org
I see 1296 transfers, 1/3rd grads.
Now that players with an extra COVID year will finally have worked their way through, I think the numbers will take a slight downturn.
If your point is that it's become more business than education, maybe you need to go back to the 80s to have that discussion. Pay for play not only predates NIL, it predates SMU getting the death penalty. Now there's just more light being shone on the situation, which is better for honest individuals and decent institutions.
Luke
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Actually J'Vonne at 4th School: Northeastern, Indian Hill CC, CU, Louisville!
I agree with most points made here: Hopefully 4 school students decrease with end of Covid years next year; Transfer rules has changed landscape (I've heard 2K transfers too; stats sighted here were how many transferred- not the 500+ every year that don't find a new school!?); Pay for Play is more immediate issue for CU (AS AFFECTS HOW MANY '25 GUYS WE SIGN: 4, 5, or 7?):
-If schools choose to pay athletes next year, they have to pay ALL athletes/ALL same amount, this means more likely schools have to cut a few sports (or change to intermural) in-order to afford to pay ALL the other sports. CU may take a year before deciding. But CU interested in taking over school's NIL activities, which may be a way around the new Pay for Play rules? As CU can use NIL to pay JUST basketball and football players to start- if they can manage to take over NIL management?
-15 scholys, but 15 roster spot limits, & ability to spread scholy money between those 15, leaves no Walk-Ons- beyond the 15 spots. Seems like bigger deal for now, as less practice bodies, with any injuries. Biggest football schools are only schools who can afford to keep all sports & pay ALL athletes to start, & maybe long-term?
I honestly feel like CU's lane in the new environment is as Elite Develop School: 1) keep getting to Tourney half the years; 2) keep sending guys to NBA; 3) pay guys just enough to keep them from transferring much (not averaging more than 1 transfer/ year?), so we get benefit of their develop as upper-classmen!?
Luke
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Hate to admit that Da Lama could be right about 14-15 wins?! But 16-17 wins puts us just over .500 (32 total games) & may still be post-season range for Big12?
Big-12 probably gets 9-10 NCAA bids most years? I think CU continues to be in conversation for 8th to 10th place finishes & Tourney bids most years (though may be too much to ask this year), but still the goal? This year?: Arizona 5th; Cincy 6th; BYU 7th; K-St 8th? CU may hang w/ ASU, WV, TX Tech, TCU for last 1-2 spots?
Luke
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What it would take for CU Buffs to pass Big-12 teams and make Tourney this year:
FrontCourt
-Malone's got to be consistent low-post threat, even against size of Arizona, Cincy, K-State, ASU & Utah?
-Baskin has to show he's leader scorer & has enough D against bigger/stronger Small Forwards- if it's balancing lack of strength w/ decent steals & blocks?
-Jaki has to hold his own against smallish PFs in conference & hit close to .400 from 3pt.
-Diop & Dak need to show improvements, but feels like Rancik playing enough D to get his shooting & playmaking on the court may be even bigger needle mover?
BackCourt:
-Yes, Julian needs to show he can be productive at Pt, but I'm more concerned who gets minutes at 1 behind him? RJ gets 1st chance to show he's more than a 3&D guy? Felix maybe more likely here than natural 2 Ruff? Courtney Anderson my surprise pick this year or next here, as maybe most athletic guard on team now?
-Feels like Ruff & Felix eat up most of time at SG, as they are 2 of the best shooting & scoring guards that Tad has on team right now? Which doesn't necessarily mean they end up at 2; as I could see Felix getting more time at 1 on O & RJ putting defensive clamps on high quality guards and wings on D- when he's out there?
-SF/3-spot maybe biggest lack of D (& maybe back-up 4/5 Bigs) currently? Baskin most logical choice, but Jaki/Diop/Rancik could get time here? Assuming Tad ends up going small for at least 5 min. half (like he typically does; then goes with best mis-matches at end of each half), so I would say this roster is full of Combo Gs that can play 1-3 spots more than just full of Combo Gs? Felix & Courtney may get most minutes as Small Ball 3s? Drew Crawford most-likely long-term answer at 3, but Tad did seem to promise him opportunity to fight for minutes at 1 & 3; Drew seems ready to not get many minutes out of the gate, to preserve chance at PtG/ PtWing?
-Most Big-12 Teams w/ ELITE GUARDS & ELITE WINGS-tough combo for this roster to guard w/ no true wings ready to contribute now?
-Tea Leaves/Tad's Comments seem to indicate he may recruit less Bigs/ Forwards & make sure he gives Fs enough minutes to not lose many of them? As these are positions that are just harder to fill in transfer portal? And recruit deeper pool of guards, as this is position that he most needs to be able to play D on in Big-12?????
FrontCourt
-Malone's got to be consistent low-post threat, even against size of Arizona, Cincy, K-State, ASU & Utah?
-Baskin has to show he's leader scorer & has enough D against bigger/stronger Small Forwards- if it's balancing lack of strength w/ decent steals & blocks?
-Jaki has to hold his own against smallish PFs in conference & hit close to .400 from 3pt.
-Diop & Dak need to show improvements, but feels like Rancik playing enough D to get his shooting & playmaking on the court may be even bigger needle mover?
BackCourt:
-Yes, Julian needs to show he can be productive at Pt, but I'm more concerned who gets minutes at 1 behind him? RJ gets 1st chance to show he's more than a 3&D guy? Felix maybe more likely here than natural 2 Ruff? Courtney Anderson my surprise pick this year or next here, as maybe most athletic guard on team now?
-Feels like Ruff & Felix eat up most of time at SG, as they are 2 of the best shooting & scoring guards that Tad has on team right now? Which doesn't necessarily mean they end up at 2; as I could see Felix getting more time at 1 on O & RJ putting defensive clamps on high quality guards and wings on D- when he's out there?
-SF/3-spot maybe biggest lack of D (& maybe back-up 4/5 Bigs) currently? Baskin most logical choice, but Jaki/Diop/Rancik could get time here? Assuming Tad ends up going small for at least 5 min. half (like he typically does; then goes with best mis-matches at end of each half), so I would say this roster is full of Combo Gs that can play 1-3 spots more than just full of Combo Gs? Felix & Courtney may get most minutes as Small Ball 3s? Drew Crawford most-likely long-term answer at 3, but Tad did seem to promise him opportunity to fight for minutes at 1 & 3; Drew seems ready to not get many minutes out of the gate, to preserve chance at PtG/ PtWing?
-Most Big-12 Teams w/ ELITE GUARDS & ELITE WINGS-tough combo for this roster to guard w/ no true wings ready to contribute now?
-Tea Leaves/Tad's Comments seem to indicate he may recruit less Bigs/ Forwards & make sure he gives Fs enough minutes to not lose many of them? As these are positions that are just harder to fill in transfer portal? And recruit deeper pool of guards, as this is position that he most needs to be able to play D on in Big-12?????
Always nice to hear from Coach. Not sure how successful this push will be, but sure. Realistically, nothing short of a 4-day blizzard will keep the stadium from suffering from 7-8k squaks.
That said, if you're a Buff and want a seat, my presale is tomorrow at 10a -- hmu, and I'll help you out with proof of not-KU-ness.
After going through that schedule again, getting to .500 would be great for this season's squad. If we didn't add those D2 & NAIA transfers, we would be totally screwed and be lucky to get to double digit wins.
I will do the same if a qualified Buff is interested.
Least expensive tickets are $66 each. Most expensive are $220 each.
I've chosen to take this seriously and develop unrealistic expectations.
few too many bank shots from 3
Buffsbball
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Looks like a lefty too
I think he'd pair well with Bronny in our backcourt.
Win the Heisman then jump on the basketball team. The media wouldn't know what to do with themselves. I'm sure his agent would not be happy, but the NIL potential would be limitless.
Buffsbball
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Thank you for reminding us all of what is most important -- that Sabatino's shot was, and will remain, good.
Buffsbball
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2024-25 Men's Basketball Roster - University of Colorado Athletics
The official 2024-25 Men's Basketball Roster for the Colorado Buffs
Roster has been updated with pictures and measurements. A few things of note
Bangot Dak- up from 180 to 185. Was hoping for a little more.
Courtney Anderson- Up from 182 to 192
Javon Ruffin- down from 201 to 185. Actually like this for him and hope it helps with his mobility to get himself free for shots
Andrew Crawford- 6'6 180 a lot of people were mentioning it looked like he grew in team pics
Felix Kossaras - 6'5 192- a lot of recruiting sites had him at 180. Good to see his body maybe more college ready!
Elijah Malone- 6'10 and 268- dudes going to be a load. Eddie was listed at 6'11 265 for reference ( I do think he carried more weight than that but still)
Baskin- 6'9 and 205- was thinking he would be closer to 185 so good to see
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Losing nearly 20 pounds? Ruffin is boom or bust this year.
Buffsbball
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I think the biggest X factor for the team will be Bangot Dak. Kid is so hyper athletic. Felt like he really started to hit his stride as a contributor late last year. Was a late addition to the 23 class.
I think with a year in the system he can really blossom this year. If he can average 8-10 points and a block or two a game it will do so much for this team.
His outside shot has some promise too, looking at some preseason clips of him hitting corner 3s.
I’m expecting Baskin, Hammond and Malone (probably right at 10) to be in or around double figures.
Then hoping Andrej and Dak to be 8-10
Then supplemental help from everybody else and maybe a freshman surprises.
Can we start a lineup of Hammond, Jakimoski, Baskin, Dak and Malone or is that preposterous with the size? I think this would be our most talented line up though.
I do think Jakimoski and Baskin can guard the wing just worried who guards the second guard after Hammond.
I think with a year in the system he can really blossom this year. If he can average 8-10 points and a block or two a game it will do so much for this team.
His outside shot has some promise too, looking at some preseason clips of him hitting corner 3s.
I’m expecting Baskin, Hammond and Malone (probably right at 10) to be in or around double figures.
Then hoping Andrej and Dak to be 8-10
Then supplemental help from everybody else and maybe a freshman surprises.
Can we start a lineup of Hammond, Jakimoski, Baskin, Dak and Malone or is that preposterous with the size? I think this would be our most talented line up though.
I do think Jakimoski and Baskin can guard the wing just worried who guards the second guard after Hammond.
I'm worried about who's going to guard the first guard once he blows past Hammond
Buffsbball
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That’s where Daks helpside rim protection comes in handy
Nice, so the drive and dish for the flush will become the play de jour