My hope is that it kills the conferences and we get a Super League. I think that's the scenario where CU is on "equal footing" from a structure standpoint with current Big 10 and SEC schools.
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Big12 Considering 1 Billion From Private Equity Investment Firm
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The money would have to be insane to get the programs at the top to agree. With what's about to happen, they'll have a very reasonable path to make the playoffs while getting windfall revenue that's unbalanced in their favor along with enough leverage to dictate conference decisions. What is Michigan's incentive to be an equal partner with CU?
BerkeleyBuff
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CalPERS isn't the same thing as UC Investments.My thoughts on how CU's future could be shaped by the Big 10's latest power play.
Inside the Big 10 Power Play that Could Impact CU’s Next 20 Years - BuffsBlog.com
CU’s biggest problem isn’t a lack of high school recruiting or the offensive coordinator. It’s the conference that it plays in. As college football continues to morph into a three-tier economy with the Big 10 and SEC on top, followed by the Big 12 and the ACC, and then the Group of 6, the Buffs...buffsblog.com
The money would be better in a Super League than in the Big 10. Folks would tune in to watch Michigan vs. Georgia on a random Saturday.
I suspect that any Super League would offer incentive based distributions, so I don't think MIchigan would look at themselves as "equal partners" with anyone else. Instead, if distributions were based on performance (both on the field and on TV/streaming), they'd get a lot more than lesser performing programs.
You are correct - I'll change this in the story. Thanks. I found this article that explains some of the confusion. https://frontofficesports.com/big-ten-considering-investment-from-california-pension-fund/
If anyone has ever analyzed the Rankings on Winsipedia, you could create the
following chart for a 3rd conference that is really freaking close and possibly better with Notre Dame leading it. The hidden “Media Property” in CFB is a 3rd conference to match up with the B1G and SEC and it would be a really fun one.
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Too late.
Clemson, Miami, FSU, Colorado, Notre Dame…. ?
Those five make about 20 marquee schedule matchups. The big 10 and SEC, by contrast, have about 8 important teams and seem to offer roughly about 50-60 marquee matchups. So after those five there is no one left in ACC/B12 that really move the ratings needle enough to make a third $100m conference.
I wasnt kidding when the Pac12 imploded and I started referring to them as the P2. Were in the M2 for now. But it could easily all be referred to as the G9(?).
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Left off Pitt, which should be a top 30. (I'm looking at unweighted average.)If anyone has ever analyzed the Rankings on Winsipedia, you could create the View attachment 93129following chart for a 3rd conference that is really freaking close and possibly better with Notre Dame leading it. The hidden “Media Property” in CFB is a 3rd conference to match up with the B1G and SEC and it would be a really fun one.
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Appears to me that the new conference would have the fewest in the top 10 or top 20 but the most in the top 50 (picturing everyone at 18 with UNC & UVA in the SEC).
I ended up with 20 in this new 3rd conference
Notre Dame is not going to join a conference. Being independent is their brand.
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53 can outvote 1 to force them in. This 3rd conference has all their rivals and friends except USC. Give them $200 M per year to headline the conference and they would join
Notre Dame's biggest rivals are USC, Navy, Michigan State and Michigan. I don’t think this moves the needle for them but who knows.
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Notre Dame has a ton of rivals in the B1G, including its top 2 of USC and Michigan. Others from the B1G they have on their list are Michigan State, Purdue, Penn State, Ohio State and Northwestern.
They also have some major ones with the ACC. Miami at the top. But also Florida State, Clemson, Stanford, Pitt and Boston College.
Only LSU from the SEC, then Navy and Army from the American. Nobody in the Big 12 (CU the most significant history but not a rivalry).
They also have some major ones with the ACC. Miami at the top. But also Florida State, Clemson, Stanford, Pitt and Boston College.
Only LSU from the SEC, then Navy and Army from the American. Nobody in the Big 12 (CU the most significant history but not a rivalry).
Arbitrary numbers here. The bottom redundant tier of the BIG (Purdue, Northwestern) is probably contribute 30mil/yr in TV standalone TV revenue, but are receiving 100mil/yr for a net (70mil/ year loss to the BIG). Dump those, add CU/ASU/Miami/Virginia/etc/etc, who probably are contribute 65mil/yr in standalone TV revenue for a net 35mil/year loss to the BIG). That's a lot less dead weight to carry in an equal revenue sharing situation.
But then if you kill off the Big12 and SEC, that probably frees up a lot of money and leverage to go after 150mil/year per school. Or unequal revenue share in tiers of the BIG, where Tier 1 gets 160mil, Tier 2 gets 120mil, Tier 3 gets 80mil.
To me, either of those two scenarios have to happen for more perfectly allocate capital on the spectrum of college football programs and their market performance/value.
I believe that the series with Stanford is their 3rd longest running rivalry behind Navy and USC. They have also played Michigan State and Purdue each about twice as many times as Michigan.
Besides Stanford they don't really have any ACC rivals that they can't live without except for possibly BC because of the Catholic connection. They have a budding rivalry with Clemson and just signed that long term deal to play the Tigers annually but that's one they would easily discontinue when they join the B1G.
There's the traditional rivalry stuff and then there are the rivalries that matter to the program. USC is #1 and Michigan is #2.
Maybe, I guess. It's certainly their most high profile rivalry among B1G teams aside from USC that's for sure. Bottom line, with UM, MSU, Purdue and USC being in the B1G that conference makes a ton of sense for ND (besides $$$ of course), and if they leverage with the B1G to pull in Stanford it makes even more sense.
The thing about ND, though, is that they are truly national in their recruiting. I think there's a negative to the B1G of being among a bunch of Chicagoland programs instead of standing out.
They really do rely on their scheduling flexibility to create events and to gain exposure in key recruiting areas. The B1G delivers SoCal, Great Lakes and some Mid-Atlantic & Northeast. But it doesn't deliver anything south of Maryland, doesn't give anything in Texas or Louisiana, and doesn't give them NoCal.
There's definitely an opportunity for a new conference formed out of the ACC & Big 12 to give ND the regional exposure it needs while also being able to play USC every year with a rotation of other traditional rivals.
Michigan and Ohio State recruit as nationally as any program in the country.
For example, in last year's class, Michigan had kids from Texas (x3), Virginia, Florida (x3), Georgia (x2), Louisiana (x2), Tennessee, Hawaii, Kentucky, North Carolina, Hawaii, Kansas, Maryland, and the Midwest (Michigan, Illinois, Ohio).
Notre Dame's boosters are also national. Also it's student recruitment. It's different for them.
I stopped watching college football, except for CU and UW, for EXACTLY this reason. The more unfair, lopsided, and like the NFL it becomes the less interested I am.
How is the NFL unfair/lopsided?
“I don’t watch football outside of two college teams, but here’s what my thoughts are on the sport as a whole…”
Miami’s thoughts and opinions on football need to be ignored entirely.
There is more parity in college football right now than there has ever been.
I’ve never enjoyed watching other teams more than I have the last two/three years
ahoelsken
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We get them at home next year.....let's not get a 15 yard penalty trying to troll them.
Offer still on the table no matter what USC and Michigan do.