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Coronavirus impact on the CFB season

Jens1893

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How would CU cope if the season had to be played behind closed doors and without fans?

As that’s what the scientists here are saying could happen. They’re basically saying it’s the very last thing you can bring back.
 

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I've just now been thinking about this.

I don't like it.

Removing the stadium and crowd removes the emotion. Which really does play a part in the outcome.

I'll expound later when it's not late and I'm not drunk, but absent the stadium and crowds, we get a more clinical game where talent and scheme rule everything.

**** that.
 

ahoelsken

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This thread is about 2-3 months too early. Trump may be in La-La land with his Easter goal-but I'll say this: Fauci said if it were up to him, we'd have social distancing into July. I don't believe we're still doing this by even then, much less playing in empty stadiums in September.
 
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hokiehead

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I cancelled my DISH TV service yesterday, assuming that there is a reasonable probability (>50%) that college football (and NFL) doesn't start on time, if at all in 2020.

to me, the biggest indication is the Olympics getting pushed for a year and not just a few months. along with basketball season getting cancelled instead of just postponed.

and honestly, attendance at Folsom is so poor anyway, I don't envision CU football being more impacted by empty stadiums than anyone else in the Pac12 if the season does start sans fans.

this will be a huge revenue hit to college sports of course. a lot of expenses will remain (recruiting, stadium upkeep, coaching salaries) without the revenue and without a lot of booster donations
 

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IMO - We'll be just fine at least a month before CFB season starts as long as we continue to practice social distancing for the next 2-3 months. I don't believe we should let our guard down or believe we should consider Dr. Trumps return to normalcy pie in the sky by Easter. As far as the Olympics go, it's understandable to postpone it due to the amount of people from all over the world converging to one location and not knowing exactly how well each one of those countries eradicated the virus.
 

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I cancelled my DISH TV service yesterday, assuming that there is a reasonable probability (>50%) that college football (and NFL) doesn't start on time, if at all in 2020.

to me, the biggest indication is the Olympics getting pushed for a year and not just a few months. along with basketball season getting cancelled instead of just postponed.

and honestly, attendance at Folsom is so poor anyway, I don't envision CU football being more impacted by empty stadiums than anyone else in the Pac12 if the season does start sans fans.

this will be a huge revenue hit to college sports of course. a lot of expenses will remain (recruiting, stadium upkeep, coaching salaries) without the revenue and without a lot of booster donations
Where are you getting your CU attendance numbers? We didn’t sell out every game, but the overall numbers were pretty good.
 

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Where are you getting your CU attendance numbers? We didn’t sell out every game, but the overall numbers were pretty good.
I'm not citing numbers. My comment is based on observation at games attended and the simple fact that my friends and I never care if our tickets are actually together -- we know we can find adjoining seats in pretty much any part of the stadium for pretty much any game.

Worth noting that we've discussed before: CU (like most schools) reports 'attendance' as "tickets distributed" and not "turnstile count", so whether a game sells out or not is only loosely correlated to attendance (in the dictionary definition sense of the word).

but, if you want to talk sell outs: CU only sold out two games last year, one the year before that, and IIRC, CU has still never sold out home games for a full season.

The majority of Colorado fans seem to only enjoy watching games played by millionaires. :(
 

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I'm not citing numbers. My comment is based on observation at games attended and the simple fact that my friends and I never care if our tickets are actually together -- we know we can find adjoining seats in pretty much any part of the stadium for pretty much any game.

Worth noting that we've discussed before: CU (like most schools) reports 'attendance' as "tickets distributed" and not "turnstile count", so whether a game sells out or not is only loosely correlated to attendance (in the dictionary definition sense of the word).

but, if you want to talk sell outs: CU only sold out two games last year, one the year before that, and IIRC, CU has still never sold out home games for a full season.

The majority of Colorado fans seem to only enjoy watching games played by millionaires. :(
Colorado was third in the conference last year in attendance. The Buffaloes averaged 98% of capacity for the year and finished behind only Utah and Oregon.
 

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Not attendance related but if we don’t get Spring Ball of some sort that will hurt us immensely. Especially with a new staff.

Some programs got at least half or more practices in.
 
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I’m not ready to write off football season. Maybe I’m whistling through the graveyard on this, but I can’t bring myself to believe that this is going to last until Fall. If this does last that long, football season will be the least of our concerns.
 

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I’m not ready to write off football season. Maybe I’m whistling through the graveyard on this, but I can’t bring myself to believe that this is going to last until Fall. If this does last that long, football season will be the least of our concerns.
I think there'll be a season and sports in general are probably going to be back by fall, but this issue isn't going away until we either find some medicine that helps to make it less severe and alleviate the stress on the healthcare system or ultimately a vaccine. And public mass events will be among the very last things they bring back with some scientists here saying that may not happen until spring 2021.
 

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Jens' initial question was more about how CU can manage financially if no crowds are in the stadiums, not how will CU perform on the field without the emotional aspect that fans bring. Will CU refund seasons tickets? Zero beer and concession sales, no merch sales, donations likely way down.

How will financially challenged Athletic Departments cope with almost zero revenue? How will that affect the non revenue generating sports? Will they have to dip into the endowment to pay for everything, will they have to dip into the general University fund (Kroll's wet dream)?
 

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Jens' initial question was more about how CU can manage financially if no crowds are in the stadiums, not how will CU perform on the field without the emotional aspect that fans bring. Will CU refund seasons tickets? Zero beer and concession sales, no merch sales, donations likely way down.

How will financially challenged Athletic Departments cope with almost zero revenue? How will that affect the non revenue generating sports? Will they have to dip into the endowment to pay for everything, will they have to dip into the general University fund (Kroll's wet dream)?
I understand the point. I’m just refusing to allow myself to go to that place right now.
 

Jens1893

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Jens' initial question was more about how CU can manage financially if no crowds are in the stadiums, not how will CU perform on the field without the emotional aspect that fans bring. Will CU refund seasons tickets? Zero beer and concession sales, no merch sales, donations likely way down.

How will financially challenged Athletic Departments cope with almost zero revenue? How will that affect the non revenue generating sports? Will they have to dip into the endowment to pay for everything, will they have to dip into the general University fund (Kroll's wet dream)?
Correct.

TV obviously is the main revenue source for just about every sports league right now which is why I think there will be games and that the football season should be relatively uninterrupted, but figuring out when they can safely host 20k for the arena sports or 50k+ for the outdoor sports again is another question entirely.

According to the latest USA Today list the CU AD made roughly 15m from ticket sales.
 

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Correct.

TV obviously is the main revenue source for just about every sports league right now which is why I think there will be games and that the football season should be relatively uninterrupted, but figuring out when they can safely host 20k for the arena sports or 50k+ for the outdoor sports again is another question entirely.

According to the latest USA Today list the CU AD made roughly 15m from ticket sales.
I wonder how they would handle the season ticket sales that have already been bought and paid for. Full refund, no questions asked? Some kind of incentives for the 2021 season ticket price to no be refunded? They would have to get real creative if they don't want to issue full refunds to season ticket holders.
 

ahoelsken

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I cancelled my DISH TV service yesterday, assuming that there is a reasonable probability (>50%) that college football (and NFL) doesn't start on time, if at all in 2020.

to me, the biggest indication is the Olympics getting pushed for a year and not just a few months. along with basketball season getting cancelled instead of just postponed.

and honestly, attendance at Folsom is so poor anyway, I don't envision CU football being more impacted by empty stadiums than anyone else in the Pac12 if the season does start sans fans.

this will be a huge revenue hit to college sports of course. a lot of expenses will remain (recruiting, stadium upkeep, coaching salaries) without the revenue and without a lot of booster donations

The Olympics are such a different deal-You've got millions of people from all over the place (the Summer Olympics are the one true GLOBAL sporting event there is) going to a country that might not have hit their peak in July. That's a different animal than everything else on the sports calendar other than maybe the World Cup, so I think we shouldn't use it as a factor here.

I don't see this having much, if any effect on football season. I've said this already in the COVID all in one thread-but Social Distancing is really the only option we have to not overwhelm the hospitals until we develop a widespread test that you're not waiting days for the results of (think the 45 minute test the FDA greenlighted on Monday) or get a little more data on the malaria drugs and remdesivir. Dr. Trump's Easter goal isn't realistic in a situation like New York City, but it could be elsewhere. I think one thing that could easily be scratched for this season is the NFL international series, and I expect that to happen when the schedule is released next month or later.

I also expect the leagues that this more directly impacts to have some sort of season, with fans being able to actually attend these games a whole different conversation. Could the NBA and NHL cancel the remaining 20-25 regular season ish games they had when they went on hiatus and go straight to the playoffs when they resume (given both will need a shorter 2nd training camp essentially)? Yes. MLB might have some parameters on a season shortly, and I've seen an article saying MLS is targeting 5/10 as a return for now.
 
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Jens1893

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I wonder how they would handle the season ticket sales that have already been bought and paid for. Full refund, no questions asked? Some kind of incentives for the 2021 season ticket price to no be refunded? They would have to get real creative if they don't want to issue full refunds to season ticket holders.
Football clubs here are offering full cash refunds for single game tickets already bought and telling ST holders they'll be in touch once they know how many games need to be refunded as they either had to be cancelled or played behind closed doors. Some might also offer you to give you the money as credit for the 20-21 season ticket.
 

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So >100 getting together on campus for late Spring practice or by August practices? Seems doubtful.
 

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Football clubs here are offering full cash refunds for single game tickets already bought and telling ST holders they'll be in touch once they know how many games need to be refunded as they either had to be cancelled or played behind closed doors. Some might also offer you to give you the money as credit for the 20-21 season ticket.
I think it would have to be something from that last part that happens, although all that's doing is kicking the no season ticket revenue can down the road. I don't know, maybe they keep all 2020 season ticket revenue and apply it as credit toward the "donation" part of season ticket prices for future seasons, and lock current season ticket holders in at the same prices for as many seasons as that covers? I assume that a full 2020 season ticket price would cover at least 2-3 seasons worth of the "donation" piece, so it would essentially be like fans locking in at a lower cost per season now. RG would have to get creative if it comes to it, otherwise I guess they just miss out on however many millions for this season in lost season ticket revenue.
 

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I think it would have to be something from that last part that happens, although all that's doing is kicking the no season ticket revenue can down the road. I don't know, maybe they keep all 2020 season ticket revenue and apply it as credit toward the "donation" part of season ticket prices for future seasons, and lock current season ticket holders in at the same prices for as many seasons as that covers? I assume that a full 2020 season ticket price would cover at least 2-3 seasons worth of the "donation" piece, so it would essentially be like fans locking in at a lower cost per season now. RG would have to get creative if it comes to it, otherwise I guess they just miss out on however many millions for this season in lost season ticket revenue.
I don't know about the law, but they may have to give you a full cash refund if you insist.

Some clubs are low key preparing to ask people to waive the refund as there may not be a club to support anymore if they do.
 

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I don't know about the law, but they may have to give you a full cash refund if you insist.

Some clubs are low key preparing to ask people to waive the refund as there may not be a club to support anymore if they do.
I'm sure they will have to give customers the option, which is why getting creative with the options is necessary. Has to be some sort of incentive for season ticket holders to not ask for a full refund.
 

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Not attendance related but if we don’t get Spring Ball of some sort that will hurt us immensely. Especially with a new staff.

Some programs got at least half or more practices in.
This raises a question I have regarding the football team.

What are they currently doing in regards to working out? Are they staying away, and handling workouts on their own? I am guessing this is the case, but don't want to make that assumption because football and strength coaches as a whole would (in all likelihood) be the vary last segment of the population to adapt to social distancing.

If they are expected to work out on their own through the summer, and we are not able to have any sort of spring ball....this will ultimately be very bad for the trajectory of our FB team (College kids suck on the whole with self accountability). With our coaching change, culture in transition already, and a team full of players that need to be physically developed more than most programs, this could ultimately be very unlucky turn of events for us.

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere. I basically checked out after we hired KD, and have been too busy with work, family, and all of this COVID-19 crap to devote any time to follow current happenings in the program.
 

ahoelsken

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This raises a question I have regarding the football team.

What are they currently doing in regards to working out? Are they staying away, and handling workouts on their own? I am guessing this is the case, but don't want to make that assumption because football and strength coaches as a whole would (in all likelihood) be the vary last segment of the population to adapt to social distancing.

If they are expected to work out on their own through the summer, and we are not able to have any sort of spring ball....this will ultimately be very bad for the trajectory of our FB team (College kids suck on the whole with self accountability). With our coaching change, culture in transition already, and a team full of players that need to be physically developed more than most programs, this could ultimately be very unlucky turn of events for us.

Sorry if this has already been discussed elsewhere. I basically checked out after we hired KD, and have been too busy with work, family, and all of this COVID-19 crap to devote any time to follow current happenings in the program.
There hasn't been much to talk about now that the staff is fully in place and the bulk of the recruiting class is staying. Haven't seen anything as far what the NCAA will do for programs like us (Does RG even need to announce spring ball is cancelled?) or New Mexico State (just using them as an example because they've already cancelled it).
 

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There hasn't been much to talk about now that the staff is fully in place and the bulk of the recruiting class is staying. Haven't seen anything as far what the NCAA will do for programs like us (Does RG even need to announce spring ball is cancelled?) or New Mexico State (just using them as an example because they've already cancelled it).
pretty much what I assumed....but are we even working out as a team right now? Or are guys holed up in their apartments doing a prison yard workout?
 

ahoelsken

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pretty much what I assumed....but are we even working out as a team right now? Or are guys holed up in their apartments doing a prison yard workout?
Tweeted Brian to ask-if he responds I'll post it here. I'd be shocked if we can do anything organized given the CDC guidelines and stay at home orders that in place throughout Denver/Boulder right now. Wonder if @ChaseSI knows anything on that question or if we'll get extra practices in the fall to make up for not having spring ball.
 
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