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Coronavirus impact on the CFB season

Darth Snow

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I don't think CU Boulder is getting that sweet sweet out of state money if campus and dorms aren't open, and I'd even venture to say current out of state students aren't spending that money on an online only experience. That said, I agree about the additional risk.
Agreed. Enrollment is going to be ****ed either way, but CU will say it's opening the campus up until the moment circumstances force it to close it just to try and save it. Those dollars are far more important than what the AD brings in.

While we know CU's situation, no reason to think most other schools aren't in similar situations. They need to open to justify the fees they charge. Opening campus >>>>>>>>>>>>> football.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basketball (but at least they could theoretically play basketball due to lower risks and costs)
 

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And I think it'd be completely irresponsible to do so and think the whole discussion of allowing fans is bizarre as I think here at least people don't expect to see a stadium from the inside for the very foreseeable future and at least the end of the year.
Yeah, I don't even think this should be a point of discussion at this time
 

ahoelsken

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And I think it'd be completely irresponsible to do so and think the whole discussion of allowing fans is bizarre as I think here at least people don't expect to see a stadium from the inside for the very foreseeable future and at least the end of the year.
I think its May 20th. We don't know what this thing will look like in 4 days-much less 4 months from now. Crossing that bridge when I get there as far as seeing live sports.
 

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Agreed. Enrollment is going to be ****ed either way, but CU will say it's opening the campus up until the moment circumstances force it to close it just to try and save it. Those dollars are far more important than what the AD brings in.

While we know CU's situation, no reason to think most other schools aren't in similar situations. They need to open to justify the fees they charge. Opening campus >>>>>>>>>>>>> football.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basketball (but at least they could theoretically play basketball due to lower risks and costs)
Does the AD bring any money to the university directly? Or is it it just a marketing instrument at the end of the day?
 

Jens1893

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Again, Cambridge has already announced that the entire 20-21 academic year will be taught remotely and Cambridge isn’t just any university.
 

Darth Snow

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Does the AD bring any money to the university directly? Or is it it just a marketing instrument at the end of the day?
money drain and cost center in a lot of ways. Takes up a lot of valuable campus real estate. Subsidized by student fees and other fancy accounting gimmicks (Folsom's parking garage? A director of one of CU's programs said that CU AD didn't pay for that, for instance, because that got funneled to the CU parking group). CU's AD's only direct benefit money wise is the scholarship fees it pays. Some flush ADs send more money to the school (think A&M), but most are not so lucky.
 

Jens1893

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money drain and cost center in a lot of ways. Takes up a lot of valuable campus real estate. Subsidized by student fees and other fancy accounting gimmicks (Folsom's parking garage? A director of one of CU's programs said that CU AD didn't pay for that, for instance, because that got funneled to the CU parking group). CU's AD's only direct benefit money wise is the scholarship fees it pays. Some flush ADs send more money to the school (think A&M), but most are not so lucky.
Yep. So at the end of the day there’s no tangible benefit and it’s all about marketing.
 

TSchekler

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Does the AD bring any money to the university directly? Or is it it just a marketing instrument at the end of the day?
Direct or indirect, Alabama isn't able to charge $10k/year for in-state and $30k/year for out of state or have 40k students enrolled without the success their football program has had. I acknowledge other Universities such as CU Boulder aren't as reliant on the AD to market the University as a whole.
 

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Yep. So at the end of the day there’s no tangible benefit and it’s all about marketing.
Which is not nothing, but like I said a month ago, the AD is so far down the list of questions that the University is dealing with.

CU Denver just announced mass furloughs for a year
 

Darth Snow

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Direct or indirect, Alabama isn't able to charge $10k/year for in-state and $30k/year for out of state or have 40k students enrolled without the success their football program has had. I acknowledge other Universities such as CU Boulder aren't as reliant on the AD to market the University as a whole.
Their enrollment will theoretically go down in future years if they don't have football. It will plummet immediately and drastically if they don't open campus.
 

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Ok, you can roll your eyes, but the point is that nobody is paying the exorbitant costs to come to CU Boulder without the campus experience. That's not the case with Cambridge.
No, that isn’t the point but whatever.
 

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Again, pay attention to the safety protocols universities like Notre Dame are throwing out for the fall semester. Yes, they need money from football, but weighing a potential campus outbreak and playing football in an empty/nearly empty stadium is what the decision boils down to, at every P5 school in the country.
 

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Yep. So at the end of the day there’s no tangible benefit and it’s all about marketing.
There is a clear benefit to the school in for form of racial diversity. CU has very few people of color that are enrolled at the Boulder campus. Without sports, that number nosedives much further.
 

ahoelsken

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Again, pay attention to the safety protocols universities like Notre Dame are throwing out for the fall semester. Yes, they need money from football, but weighing a potential campus outbreak and playing football in an empty/nearly empty stadium is what the decision boils down to, at every P5 school in the country.

What Notre Dame and others are doing actually makes a ton of sense-jokes about online finals aside. Its not that hard to pick something up while you're traveling (airports/hotels etc are germ factories) so minimizing the amount of travel during flu season you're making students do isn't necessarily a bad thing. That being said, Lets actually look at the data-the link above is from the CDC. They show 76 deaths in the 15-24 age range. Compare that with 55,611 deaths at 65+. Not only has this not hit college age groups real hard, but you can make the case that a football player who does come down with this could get better care at school than they would at home. The main liability to me would be somebody who is 65+ going to a football game and picking up COVID from that.
 
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What Notre Dame is doing actually makes a ton of sense-jokes about online finals aside. Its not that hard to pick something up while you're traveling (airports/hotels etc are germ factories) so minimizing the amount of travel you're making students do isn't necessarily a bad thing. That being said, Lets actually look at the data-the link above is from the CDC. They show 76 deaths in the 15-24 age range. Compare that with 55,611 deaths at 65+. Not only has this not hit college age groups real hard, but you can make the case that a football player who does come down with this could get better care at school than they would at home. The main liability to me would be somebody who is 65+ going to a football game and picking up COVID from that.
Will be interested in seeing the numbers when 15-24 demo goes back to school and isn’t sheltered in place with parents.
 

ahoelsken

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Will be interested in seeing the numbers when 15-24 demo goes back to school and isn’t sheltered in place with parents.
Next week for the Colorado data will be really interesting-we're now two weeks after the stay at home orders in Denver metro were lifted effective Saturday.
 

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Agreed. Enrollment is going to be ****ed either way, but CU will say it's opening the campus up until the moment circumstances force it to close it just to try and save it. Those dollars are far more important than what the AD brings in.

While we know CU's situation, no reason to think most other schools aren't in similar situations. They need to open to justify the fees they charge. Opening campus >>>>>>>>>>>>> football.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basketball (but at least they could theoretically play basketball due to lower risks and costs)
I have a 16 year old, who will be a HS Junior next year. He is 100%, all-in on CU Boulder. I'm becoming more than a little concerned about what in-State tuition is going to look like in 2 years.
 
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