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Buffnik

Buffnik

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I can deal with a lot of things as a fan.

I am there for teams that lack talent or experience.

What I can't handle is when the team doesn't have fight in it.

This football program is an absolute mess right now.

From HC Sanders on down, it's an operational and cultural disaster of a football team.
 
Absolutely. We have a culture problem. It takes a program like Utah, which has a phenomenal culture, to expose it.

Who are the team leaders? These guys seem like they barely know each other. The one year mercenary model doesn’t work, particularly if you have a program in turmoil with no existing culture.
 
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They play hard but they are one of the softest teams I've ever seen. 2023 and 2024 was way more tough. JSU too. The Spring team was soft too so those two squads, this one and the 2021 Spring are soft as ****.
 
Think back to CP totally blowing time management and not taking timeouts, a couple of occassions, while none of his HOF assistants had the balls to speak up or act.

I'd think that watching your position coaches punk out, might impact the toughness of the players.

Prime brought the excitement and money. But he also wanted to provide positions for former NFL buddies - believing they were capable. And they are not. IMO Rick George should have better advised CP as to his coaching needs and limited the influx of guys with zero coaching experience or ability. CP is a wonderful guy, but a bit of a dreamer, and he relies on the team's faith and belief more than hard work
 
cu3x said:
Think back to CP totally blowing time management and not taking timeouts, a couple of occassions, while none of his HOF assistants had the balls to speak up or act.

I'd think that watching your position coaches punk out, might impact the toughness of the players.

Prime brought the excitement and money. But he also wanted to provide positions for former NFL buddies - believing they were capable. And they are not. IMO Rick George should have better advised CP as to his coaching needs and limited the influx of guys with zero coaching experience or ability. CP is a wonderful guy, but a bit of a dreamer, and he relies on the team's faith and belief more than hard work
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RG had no leverage coming off a 1-11 season and a completely dead program. It was a big swing to revive the program that worked but the cost was handing the keys to Prime to run it and hire how he sees fit.
 
Some great points in these threads, especially about culture and identity. We simply do not have these things. I'll also call out the reality that the players we're bringing into this program are not top-tier. They aren't awful, but they're nowhere near what the top programs are bringing in.

So you take mediocre talent and a staff with little proven ability to turn these players into elite performers, and you end up with games like last night.

Aside from all those realities, what REALLY frustrated me last night was our utter lack of adjustments. We knew exactly what the Utes were doing - blitzing, stunting, sending guys from all directions - and we seemed to do nothing to adjust to it. No blocking TE's, no extra blockers in the backfield, nada. Instead Salter just was running for his life all night, in all 4 quarters.

Pat Shurmur has to be the most stubborn, inflexible OC I've ever seen at CU. And we've seen many, many of them over the years. Rather than adjust to the reality of what they see on the field, they blame execution and arrogantly stick to a game plan that clearly is not working.

The ISU win was nice, but it almost would've been better if we lost. Then Sanders could've fired Shurmur & used the bye week to get a new offensive identity in place.
 
Bisonic said:
Some great points in these threads, especially about culture and identity. We simply do not have these things. I'll also call out the reality that the players we're bringing into this program are not top-tier. They aren't awful, but they're nowhere near what the top programs are bringing in.

So you take mediocre talent and a staff with little proven ability to turn these players into elite performers, and you end up with games like last night.

Aside from all those realities, what REALLY frustrated me last night was our utter lack of adjustments. We knew exactly what the Utes were doing - blitzing, stunting, sending guys from all directions - and we seemed to do nothing to adjust to it. No blocking TE's, no extra blockers in the backfield, nada. Instead Salter just was running for his life all night, in all 4 quarters.

Pat Shurmur has to be the most stubborn, inflexible OC I've ever seen at CU. And we've seen many, many of them over the years. Rather than adjust to the reality of what they see on the field, they blame execution and arrogantly stick to a game plan that clearly is not working.

The ISU win was nice, but it almost would've been better if we lost. Then Sanders could've fired Shurmur & used the bye week to get a new offensive identity in place.
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Pass protection wasn't as bad as it looked. Salter back pedals as a reaction to expected pressure, making it almost impossible to block edge rushers.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
Absolutely. We have a culture problem. It takes a program like Utah, which has a phenomenal culture, to expose it.

Who are the team leaders? These guys seem like they barely know each other. The one year mercenary model doesn’t work, particularly if you have a program in turmoil with no existing culture.
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With the one year model-I'm amazed we don't see more guys in this sport approach this like the NFL does. The draft is high school recruiting. You still have to build that way. Use the portal to fill holes.
 
ahoelsken said:
With the one year model-I'm amazed we don't see more guys in this sport approach this like the NFL does. The draft is high school recruiting. You still have to build that way. Use the portal to fill holes.
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Another sore point for me. It seems like Sanders thinks it's beneath him to get into the living rooms of blue chip HS kids. That approach will make him a short term coach here. The dude needs to do things that work for every successful program. He's not surprising anyone anymore. Parents and kids have formed their opinions about what he's doing in Boulder.
 
Bisonic said:
Another sore point for me. It seems like Sanders thinks it's beneath him to get into the living rooms of blue chip HS kids. That approach will make him a short term coach here. The dude needs to do things that work for every successful program. He's not surprising anyone anymore. Parents and kids have formed their opinions about what he's doing in Boulder.
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I want some assistants gone at the end of the year regardless. I do not want Shurmur calling plays for JuJu. That's gotta be Leftwich. I'm not sure what Andre Hart even does here, and French/Hughes both suck. He needs to be shown the door too.

Last night doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying though. We need Prime healthy to be able to recruit to the level we want to this off-season. This is all about this staff collectively failing to prepare this group for that game, and a couple of people need to pay with their jobs because of it.
 
Didn't want the blowout of this game but I think this ends all debate that the DL, and team are better as a collective. We have a few losses that in a different lighting could have been wins. But this is a team that struggles to score 24 points on offense and on defense is not good against the run and from what I've seen is also not good on 3rd down. Earlier I've said they recruit like a Top 50 program and thus play like one and I think heres another example of it. They can play with most Fringe Top 25 teams and they can also get demolished. I also think that fringe top 50 teams from the Mountain West, ACC, etc would be a coin toss game. No Bowl this season. We end up at 4 or 5 wins.
 
Buffnik said:
I can deal with a lot of things as a fan.

I am there for teams that lack talent or experience.

What I can't handle is when the team doesn't have fight in it.

This football program is an absolute mess right now.

From HC Sanders on down, it's an operational and cultural disaster of a football team.
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I'd describe the team as soft, inconsistent, overwhelmed, but talented.

I'd say the exact same of Kaidon.

I think, despite the efforts to not let it happen with the Delaware Shuffle, this team has taken on the identity of it's QB.

Then I'd add, lack of attention to the right details, and that comes from the head coach. It feels like there's more emphasis on hours of film study, without emphasis and specific goals from that film study, and more focus on knowing how the uniforms will be accessorized by shoe choices than knowing ahead of time if you're going to punt, kick a FG, or go for it on 4th and 6 from the +38.
 
cu3x said:
Prime brought the excitement and money. But he also wanted to provide positions for former NFL buddies - believing they were capable.
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imho, that move was more about recruiting than it was about capable. The old Jimmys and Joes is greater than Xs and Os. It worked because we have far better talent than we used to get. You cant really hire just anyone anymore because were in an inferior conference. Prime. Shannon Sharpe. Warren Sapp. Guys with big mouths and big egos that played under the lights is likely the only way to recruit against the B1G and $EC

I didnt see much of last nights implosion being on a family trip and out and about during the game. But weve seen these missteps before in terms of preparation, schemes, and game management. Most of the teams we play are like us with a lot of comers and goers including coaches. Utah is a different animal with a culture of toughness and winning that their coach brings. Whittingham is not flashy and he clearly always has a strong foundation of coaches and solid players. He has a legacy there at Utah and attracts the kind of player that fits into that.

I mentioned before the season that Primes health, new QBs, the graduation of some Prime Legacy players, portal hoppers, and some coaching moves probably leave us with an ok season. His health may be the biggest issue now. He has brought money, talent, and enrollment numbers to CU. I am not ready to give up on him yet. I suspect we will see a house cleaning first.
 
Bisonic said:
Another sore point for me. It seems like Sanders thinks it's beneath him to get into the living rooms of blue chip HS kids. That approach will make him a short term coach here. The dude needs to do things that work for every successful program. He's not surprising anyone anymore. Parents and kids have formed their opinions about what he's doing in Boulder.
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If saban can do in home visits then it’s not beneath cp to do them. Think he would absolutely kill it with in home visits
 
ahoelsken said:
I want some assistants gone at the end of the year regardless. I do not want Shurmur calling plays for JuJu. That's gotta be Leftwich. I'm not sure what Andre Hart even does here, and French/Hughes both suck. He needs to be shown the door too.

Last night doesn't have anything to do with what you're saying though. We need Prime healthy to be able to recruit to the level we want to this off-season. This is all about this staff collectively failing to prepare this group for that game, and a couple of people need to pay with their jobs because of it.
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Hard oass on leftwich, need a cfb oc not an nfl oc
 
Something that I don't think we've brought up with how soft this year's team is the completely flat performances in the 3 road games.
 
Scotch said:
Same here. Coaching matters, as does University support, and the Utes have both.
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Support all the way to the Governor's office. When Romney and team got the SLC Winter Olympics, they spent a ton of the money investing in facility & infrastructure upgrades for the universities that could host events. FWIW, SLC getting the US bid for 2030 instead of Denver is going to widen this gap in state support.
 
Matt said:
I’m going to earn some thumbs down. I like watching Utah when they are not playing CU. They play tough football and I enjoy that style of football. Soft sucks when it comes to CFB
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No one else gave you a thumbs down but I had to. I ****ing hate Utah. We joined the pac together and it seems like every single ****ing year they have kicked our teeth in. I’m so sick of us consistently losing to a program that we should be equal with or better. But we can’t make a hire that has consistent success. And they’ve had whittingham since ‘Nam.
 
Bisonic said:
Another sore point for me. It seems like Sanders thinks it's beneath him to get into the living rooms of blue chip HS kids. That approach will make him a short term coach here. The dude needs to do things that work for every successful program. He's not surprising anyone anymore. Parents and kids have formed their opinions about what he's doing in Boulder.
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CP doesnt understand that he’s more on brand for doing Aflac commercials than he is for anything else. It’s been a LONG time since he was live on a football field or a baseball diamond.

I honestly think that some of these parents (or grandparents) are responsible for telling their kids (recruits) who he even is.

And IMO, if I was JuJu or his kin, I’d tell CP that my return to the team was dependent on Shurmur being 100% off the property.
 
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