Jim Valvano story. Should be awesome, might get a little dusty in my living room.
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30 for 30 Tonight
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Yea I've seen the promotions for this and am looking forward to it. I'm DVR'ing it since I won't get thru it tonight due to the late time.
It's a shame that the Wolfpack moved out of Reynolds
Roy Williams thinks that NCSU paid off the officials?!? That might be the funniest god damm thing I've ever heard!
CVilleBuff
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Generic "meh" environment in RBC or whatever it's called now, indeed.
PNC Arena now, but yea it's very much lacking because it's off campus and it's also an NHL arena. I went to a game there last year when they played Syracuse and it had more the feel of an NBA game.
I'm a bit older than you are and remember both of those games well. Georgetown had Ewing and a number of other guys who had lesser NBA careers but they had nothing like the talent that Houston had with Olijawan and Drexler plus others. The other part of that was the improbable run NCSU made just to get there. Nova was a big upset but they were never in the knife edge of being out for so long like NCSU was.
Thought the show was well done. Not as much emotion welled up as I thought would have but it was a fair and accurate summary to my recollection and addressed who Jimmy V. was. Worth watching
Georgetown was the defending champs with most of the prior season team back, and just dominated college ball for two seasons. I also believe they beat houston in the final 4 the year they won it all. They had also beaten 'Nova twice and don't believe those games were close.
Not saying it wasn't a huge upset and you have grounds to argue but the Houston team that Georgetown beat wasn't as good as the 83 Houston team. More importantly Nova was a huge underdog but NCSU wasn't even supposed to be in the tourney. They won multiple OT games just to get there and only got in by winning their conference tourney. I thought Rollie was a better coach than Jimmy V. and was entertaining as well although not in Jimmy V.'s class in that catagory but I will take the NCSU win as a bigger upset, not diminishing what Nova accomplished.
It is kind of interesting that outside of that 84 team, Patrick Ewing never ended up with the ring. Maybe one of the most talented players to have that little success in gaining championships.
He played at the same time as Michael Jordan. Even Hakeem wouldn't have ever won a title if MJ hadn't taken the baseball break, because MJ would have won 8 straight. Barkley never won a title in that era. Payton didn't win one. Reggie Miller didn't win one. Malone and Stockton didn't win one. Robinson and Shaq didn't win titles until after MJ had retired.
He also ended up on a very poorly managed Knicks team that did a terrible job of putting talent around him. I always thought he played hard and did his part, just didn't have much support.
cubuffs85
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I hated when the Terps moved out of Cole, atleast they were still on-campus. It should almost be a rule that you must play your home games on-campus.
The 1983 UH B-Ball team was the best IMO, talent wise. If they would have had a coach, I doubt they would have lost a game. I saw a lot of Coog B-Ball at Hofheinz back in the day. Olajuwon, Derexler, Young, Micheaux, Franklin...Phi Slamma Jamma was the best.
Well, second best.
Houston would have been the best team Jordan had to face in the Finals. Nothing against the Jazz, but Hakeem was playing his best ball at that point and everyone just followed. Chicago/Houston would have been a great matchup imo.
NC State played at some round of NCAA games in Denver. I was living in Fort Collins at the time and in Denver on work. Stayed at the Westin, where NC State was playing.
I literally ran in to Jimmy V in the lobby. He was so nice to me about it as I was apologizing. Very nice man.
If I recall correctly, NC State won the region, if that is what it was. I know I attended games also because I managed to get a ticket to that, but not when CU hosted the Final Four.
I literally ran in to Jimmy V in the lobby. He was so nice to me about it as I was apologizing. Very nice man.
If I recall correctly, NC State won the region, if that is what it was. I know I attended games also because I managed to get a ticket to that, but not when CU hosted the Final Four.
I remember seeing NC State play St. John's at McNichols. Believe it was the same year 'Nova won it all. NC State had Spud Web, and Chris Mullins with St. John's.
That St. John's team also had Mark Jackson and Bill Wennington. Plus Walter Berry, who was maybe the best player of the bunch as a collegian even though he didn't do much in the NBA.
CVilleBuff
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ACC in that general era: UNC with Dean and all that talent, NCSU Jimmy V, UVA under Terry Holland w/ Ralph Sampson, Maryland with Lefty. Duke coming to power under K. Just unbelievably strong period that will likely never be matched.
CVilleBuff
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Rep worthy. I will send it your way when my rep chains are taken off!
Talent wise UH was the best. Like I said, if they had a coach , I don't think anybody would have beaten them. Guy Lewis? Might as well had Guy Smiley coaching. Jim Valvano coached his team up and beat U H, fair and square. That loss on is on Guy Lewis.
Absolutely. If you've got Hakeem and Clyde on your college team, the other 3 could be guys you pull off the street and you'd still make the Final Four with any semblance of coaching. But everyone forgets about Michael Young... who was a 1st round draft pick and led the Cougs in scoring. That squad was beyond loaded. (I think they had another NBA guy, too.)
At that game after Wennington made a awkward play that drew a foul my Dad yelled "Wennington is Danny Schayes cousin!" at the top of his lungs. Pissed off some St. John's fans around us, and everyone else was laughing their ass off.
Larry Micheaux was the other NBA'er. Great power forward/center. Young was deadly accurate from the outside. His ability to drain the jumper allowed Olajuwon, Micheaux and Clyde the Glide room to maneuver inside. People also forget about Reid Gettys, a poor man's Larry Bird, who was on the team. He distributed the ball well and was a good outside shooter. He was 6'7". Not an explosive ballhandler or post player, but an excellent technician. Not nearly as good as Larry Bird, but from the same mold.
That team had more than just "another" NBA guy.
| Year | Player | Round | Pick | NBA club |
| 1983 | Clyde Drexler | 1 | 14 | Portland Trail Blazers |
| 1983 | Larry Micheaux | 2 | 29 | Chicago Bulls |
| 1984 | Akeem Olajuwon | 1 | 1 | Houston Rockets |
| 1984 | Michael Young | 1 | 24 | Boston Celtics |
| 1985 | Reid Gettys | 5 | 103 | Chicago Bulls |
| 1986 | Alvin Franklin | 4 | 80 | Sacramento Kings |
They also had a couple of other guys who were not NBA draft choices but who were excellent college players. That team had ridiculous talent. Guy Lewis should have paid the school to coach that bunch. Of course being from Texas in the height of SWC football days there was some question about the "amatuer" status of that team. How some of those guys ended up at UH has been questioned.