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30 second shot clock, 4 foot arc and TO reduction approved

cu2x said:
what is the 4' arc, please?
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They've expanded the arc under the basket in which a defender cannot draw a charge even if the defender is set and the offensive player initiates contact.
 
'Tini said:
The college game needs some serious fixing though
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I don't know about that. The only problem I have with the college game is the one and done stuff but there is not much that can done about that other than changing NBA rules.
 
Daaah said:
I don't know about that. The only problem I have with the college game is the one and done stuff but there is not much that can done about that other than changing NBA rules.
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The college game needs to be fixed, there's no getting around that. Scoring for example is as low as it's ever been, are you saying that shouldn't be fixed?

Sports evolve, and college basketball needs to evolve to keep growing.
 
wsp4820 said:
They've expanded the arc under the basket in which a secondary defender cannot draw a charge even if the defender is set and the offensive player initiates contact.
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Key distinction. Someone stepping to help can't pick up a charge inside the arc. At least that's how I believe the rule is supposed to be interpreted.
 
'Tini said:
The college game needs to be fixed, there's no getting around that. Scoring for example is as low as it's ever been, are you saying that shouldn't be fixed?

Sports evolve, and college basketball needs to evolve to keep growing.
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I had no problem with low scoring games. I like defense and I like it when teams run offensive sets. To me, watching teams run an offense for 30+ seconds to get a good shot is entertaining basketball. If I wanted to watch NBA-style basketball, I'd watch the NBA.

The NCAA basketball tournament viewership was up 8% over last year and was at a 22 year high. It's not like the game is in serious trouble.
 
I'm inclined to agree with Jay Bilas and the many other analysts who have said cbb needs to change. Low scoring, ugly offensive games are not going to help the sport grow. Changing the shot clock and other non-major rule changes are not going to make it like the NBA. There's no need for the shot clock to be 35 seconds. There's no need for coaches to have as many TO's as possible. I could keep going.

Yes the tournament is great for viewers, but overall cbb viewership is down.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...ngs-ncaa-tournament-cbs-turner-espn-fox-nbcsn
 
'Tini said:
I'm inclined to agree with Jay Bilas and the many other analysts who have said cbb needs to change. Low scoring, ugly offensive games are not going to help the sport grow. Changing the shot clock and other non-major rule changes are not going to make it like the NBA. There's no need for the shot clock to be 35 seconds. There's no need for coaches to have as many TO's as possible. I could keep going.

Yes the tournament is great for viewers, but overall cbb viewership is down.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...ngs-ncaa-tournament-cbs-turner-espn-fox-nbcsn
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Of course game by game ratings are down. There are more games televised so the average game rating is going to be down. Even a big college basketball fan can only watch one game at a time and often times there are like 4 simultaneous games going on that are available to view. It's no surprise that the average regular season game's tv rating is going to decrease when you start having all WCC games televised.

People bitched an moaned about Wisconsin and Virginia scores, but their games were some of the most entertaining games to watch.
 
College game doesn't turn into the NBA game if they play by NBA rules. The rules differences aren't the reason for why many of us prefer the college game. In fact, the NBA has a better set of rules and a much better flow to the game.

The main thing that I am passionate about for differentiating the two games is the "illegal defense" rule for the NBA not being adopted for college. Basically, an NBA player can't stand in the lane for 3 seconds unless he's guarding someone. In college, I like the more liberal allowance for zone where they could pack 5 guys into the lane for the entire possession if they chose. It's a nuance that completely distinguishes in a good way.

Another one is that I think 40 minutes is a better duration for a game than 48 minutes.

Other things like halves vs quarters, shot clock, inbound position after a timeout, 3pt distance, etc. I think the NBA does better in order to create drama.
 
jsmilkst said:
And. .. women apparently have 4 quarters now, and ball advance in last minute
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball...basketball-adopts-new-rules-including-four-10

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As far as actually changing the game probably a trivial change, but (probably because I'm an old fogie) I know I'm going to hate this change for the women (from your link above)- "In an effort to improve the overall fan experience, bands or amplified music may be played during any dead-ball situation during a women’s basketball game. Previously, rules allowed music to be played only during timeouts and intermission."
(Are they going to play 2 second snips of obnoxious songs while a player waits to inbounds? While a free throw shooter is at the line? Hopefully it may just mean when refs are consulting for a long period or something?)

As was also mentioned in a Daily Camera article as a new rule Coach Lappe didn't like (negates the opportunity to full court press), don't like this women's rule change that will put them in line with the NBA-
"The panel approved a rule that allows teams to advance the ball to the frontcourt following a timeout immediately after a made basket in the last 59.9 seconds of the fourth quarter and any overtime periods.

Teams also will be allowed to advance the ball to the frontcourt after securing the ball from a rebound or a change of possession. In these scenarios, the ball would be inbounded at the 28-foot mark on the side of the court where the scorer’s table is located."
 
Yup. Although, based on the last couple years, this might help Lappe's squad. The number of key backcourt turnovers we've had. ..
I'm definitely torn on these. Not convinced quarters make the game flow better. But they don't offend me either

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AztecBuff said:
As far as actually changing the game probably a trivial change, but (probably because I'm an old fogie) I know I'm going to hate this change for the women (from your link above)- "In an effort to improve the overall fan experience, bands or amplified music may be played during any dead-ball situation during a women’s basketball game. Previously, rules allowed music to be played only during timeouts and intermission."
(Are they going to play 2 second snips of obnoxious songs while a player waits to inbounds? While a free throw shooter is at the line? Hopefully it may just mean when refs are consulting for a long period or something?)

As was also mentioned in a Daily Camera article as a new rule Coach Lappe didn't like (negates the opportunity to full court press), don't like this women's rule change that will put them in line with the NBA-
"The panel approved a rule that allows teams to advance the ball to the frontcourt following a timeout immediately after a made basket in the last 59.9 seconds of the fourth quarter and any overtime periods.

Teams also will be allowed to advance the ball to the frontcourt after securing the ball from a rebound or a change of possession . In these scenarios, the ball would be inbounded at the 28-foot mark on the side of the court where the scorer’s table is located."
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what does this mean? a rebound or a steal doesn't stop the clock under today's rules -- how is the rebounding team supposed to indicate if they're prefer to inbound from mid-court vs play through? or does this rule change eliminate the fast break in the final minute of a game and force the ball to be inbounded following a rebound or steal?
 
hokiehead said:
what does this mean? a rebound or a steal doesn't stop the clock under today's rules -- how is the rebounding team supposed to indicate if they're prefer to inbound from mid-court vs play through? or does this rule change eliminate the fast break in the final minute of a game and force the ball to be inbounded following a rebound or steal?
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Its only if the team chooses to take a time out. For example, if Wiggins misses a shot with 3 seconds left and we get a rebound and call a time out we can advance the ball to the front court to inbound the ball to Askia for a game-winning three. A team doesn't have to take a time out at all. They can push the ball with fifteen seconds left and have the defense on their heals. Its the same rules as the NBA I believe. One quick question. Can you advance the ball in the NBA using a 20-second timeout or does it have to be a full?
 
Hkylw21 said:
You're all growed up now. Put it together.
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The college game will never be the NBA game. You're an adult, you can explain it to. Just because you modify rules to in theory make the game better doesn't mean you are going to turn into the NBA.


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The new rules are a reaction to some things that have hurt the college game.

Pack-line defense (with the associated grabbing) has pretty much killed the motion offenses that used to make college basketball so beautiful to watch.

This is also made possible because there is much less continuity in programs. Guys don't stick around for 4 years, learning the system and paying dues until they earn a starting job.

So given these realities, some rule changes were necessary to speed play and open up the court. They're also looking at things they're testing in the women's game to create more high leverage moments at the end moments. Beyond that, they cut the number of timeouts (and that annoying TO before the scheduled TV timeout bull****) to improve the flow of the game.

I don't know what the complaints are about. These are good things. It's been a long time since the Indiana-Syracuse and Duke-UNLV matchups in the Final 4 that represented a certain brand of basketball we enjoy. Duke-Butler a few years ago is more what fans want to see (but without the ridiculous charges called for stepping under a guy a foot from the rim).
 
I sat down and really tried to watch some of the NBA Playoffs this year. Couldn't do it. Yet, I can enjoy pretty much any college basketball game that my remote lands on. My fear is that the rules being crafted are trying to funnel the college game more toward the 1-on-1 style of play of the NBA.

I am definitely for the decreased number of timeouts though.
 
Hkylw21 said:
I sat down and really tried to watch some of the NBA Playoffs this year. Couldn't do it. Yet, I can enjoy pretty much any college basketball game that my remote lands on. My fear is that the rules being crafted are trying to funnel the college game more toward the 1-on-1 style of play of the NBA.

I am definitely for the decreased number of timeouts though.
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Fear-monger
 
College game will never be a 1 on 1 game. Trying to associate rule changes with becoming the NBA is a big reach.


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