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9 conference games.

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Sets low bar, barely exceeds it.
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Any chance the PAC looks at the results of a 9-game conference schedule and decides to scale it back to 8 games to be consistent with every other P5 conference?

It may all hinge on Stanford and Cal agreeing to forego playing USC and UCLA every year.
 
I like playing a 9-game conference schedule.

More games against Pac-12 teams is good for the home slate and travel opportunities.

My main issue with that is playing CSU every year. Locking in 10 opponents loses a lot of the variety I'd like to have. And, of course, having CSU as a neutral site game guarantees needing a one-off home game against a lower tier team to get to 6 true home games every year. That has sucked.
 
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It seems to me that a 9 game schedule is handicapping us from a national perspective. Six extra games = six extra losses. We aren’t having any luck convincing the B1G, ACC and SEC to go to 9-game conference schedules. Maybe it’s time we join them even if it means giving up a good travel destination or matchup from time to time.
 
Not Sure said:
It seems to me that a 9 game schedule is handicapping us from a national perspective. Six extra games = six extra losses. We aren’t having any luck convincing the B1G, ACC and SEC to go to 9-game conference schedules. Maybe it’s time we join them even if it means giving up a good travel destination or matchup from time to time.
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B1G, Big 12, and Pac 12 all play a 9 game conference schedule. It is only the SEC and ACC that do not.
 
Highlander said:
B1G, Big 12, and Pac 12 all play a 9 game conference schedule. It is only the SEC and ACC that do not.
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And a good chunk of the ACC & SEC have a built-in annual game with an inter-conference rival.

Georgia-Georgia Tech
Florida-Florida State
South Carolina-Clemson
Kentucky-Louisville
Tennessee-Virginia Tech (recent years & they should keep it going)

I don't take issue with scheduling when it comes to these programs wth their 8-game conference schedules because it's like having 9. With the ACC, there's also a lot of playing Notre Dame mixed in, which is a quasi conference game.

It's about 1/3 of the SEC, though, that leverages the 8-game schedule to play 1 neutral site money game against a big name opponent and then 3 cupcakes who will visit them for one-offs. That's the turd in the punchbowl that unbalances things.
 
Buffnik said:
And a good chunk of the ACC & SEC have a built-in annual game with an inter-conference rival.

Georgia-Georgia Tech
Florida-Florida State
South Carolina-Clemson
Kentucky-Louisville
Tennessee-Virginia Tech (recent years & they should keep it going)

I don't take issue with scheduling when it comes to these programs wth their 8-game conference schedules because it's like having 9. With the ACC, there's also a lot of playing Notre Dame mixed in, which is a quasi conference game.

It's about 1/3 of the SEC, though, that leverages the 8-game schedule to play 1 neutral site money game against a big name opponent and then 3 cupcakes who will visit them for one-offs. That's the turd in the punchbowl that unbalances things.
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Well, kind of... With this logic, CU plays 10 conference games in most years and USC plays 11 (ND and Texas in 2018). The only way it's comparable is when Pac, BIG and Big 12 teams play 3 OOC patsies. Otherwise, it's still an uneven playing field.

Edit: What's different about the teams you don't take issue with and the 1/3 of SEC teams that you do take issue with? Both groups play 8 conference games, 1 marquee OOC game, and 3 cupcake OOC games.
 
TSchekler said:
Well, kind of... With this logic, CU plays 10 conference games in most years and USC plays 11 (ND and Texas in 2018). The only way it's comparable is when Pac, BIG and Big 12 teams play 3 OOC patsies. Otherwise, it's still an uneven playing field.

Edit: What's different about the teams you don't take issue with and the 1/3 of SEC teams that you do take issue with? Both groups play 8 conference games, 1 marquee OOC game, and 3 cupcake OOC games.
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I'm talking about fixed rivalries with a non-conference P5 opponent.

So, yes, it's like USC and Stanford have a 10-game conference schedule every year and then 2 games they can do whatever with.

When they are annual rivalry games with P5 peers it is like playing a conference game. For certain ACC & SEC programs, that rivalry game puts their baseline at 9 and makes them equivalent to the B1G, Pac-12 and Big 12 where they have 3 dates beyond that to schedule as they will.

CU has a 9-game fixed P5 schedule. Playing CSU is like if WVU played Marshall every year. It's not the equivalent of a conference game. It's G5. Don't get me started on the idiocy of trying to treat it like it was on par with South Carolina vs Clemson.

P.S. If the SEC and ACC went to 9, then those games would give some of their programs the equivalent of the baseline schedules that USC & Stanford play.
 
why go back to eight games when Pac fans can instead bitch about the disadvantages they perceive with the 9 game schedule and lobby for other conferences to adopt the same -- isn't that more fun?

and @Buffnik, I LOVE the idea, but think you're mixing up UT/VT with some other rivalry. the schools have played each other in only one regular season game since 1937. there's no contract for future games either.
 
hokiehead said:
why go back to eight games when Pac fans can instead bitch about the disadvantages they perceive with the 9 game schedule and lobby for other conferences to adopt the same -- isn't that more fun?

and @Buffnik, I LOVE the idea, but think you're mixing up UT/VT with some other rivalry. the schools have played each other in only one regular season game since 1937. there's no contract for future games either.
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Dude you are suppose to be in Boulder walking the campus dressed as a Hokie
 
hokiehead said:
why go back to eight games when Pac fans can instead bitch about the disadvantages they perceive with the 9 game schedule and lobby for other conferences to adopt the same -- isn't that more fun?

and @Buffnik, I LOVE the idea, but think you're mixing up UT/VT with some other rivalry. the schools have played each other in only one regular season game since 1937. there's no contract for future games either.
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I thought they'd opened the previous 2 years. My bad. They really should, though.
 
one more note, the ACC, SEC, XII and B1G have policies requiring scheduling one P5 OOC each season (all give exemptions for Notre Dame, some give exemptions for BYU and the military academies).

The B1G now prohibits scheduling any FCS (or below). The XII caps it at one per season.

To my knowledge, the Pac doesn't have these policies.

looking at SoS before the bowl games, the highest ranked Pac team was Stanford at #12. the next was USC at #22. The Pac finished last among P5 conferences in aggregate SoS.

I think the Pac scheduling is well worth taking a hard look at.

and, after four years, I've gotten harder to spot on campus, having accumulated enough CU branded apparel that I blend in pretty well.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm talking about fixed rivalries with a non-conference P5 opponent.

So, yes, it's like USC and Stanford have a 10-game conference schedule every year and then 2 games they can do whatever with.

When they are annual rivalry games with P5 peers it is like playing a conference game. For certain ACC & SEC programs, that rivalry game puts their baseline at 9 and makes them equivalent to the B1G, Pac-12 and Big 12 where they have 3 dates beyond that to schedule as they will.

CU has a 9-game fixed P5 schedule. Playing CSU is like if WVU played Marshall every year. It's not the equivalent of a conference game. It's G5. Don't get me started on the idiocy of trying to treat it like it was on par with South Carolina vs Clemson.

P.S. If the SEC and ACC went to 9, then those games would give some of their programs the equivalent of the baseline schedules that USC & Stanford play.
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I guess what I'm getting at is while CU may have 3 OOC games to do whatever they want with each year, most of the time, they schedule another P5 game to go along with CSU and a cupcake, essentially making it a 10 game conference schedule. The programs in SEC/ACC who schedule P5 rivalries every year essentially have 9 conference games and then ALWAYS schedule 3 cupcakes.

2018
CU: 9 Pac 12 Games, CSU, Nebraska, New Hampshire = 10 conference games
USC: 9 Pac 12 Games, ND, Texas, UNLV = 11 conference games
Wisconsin: 9 BIG Games, Western Ken, New Mexico, BYU = 10 conference games
Oklahoma: 9 Big 12 Games, UCLA, Florida Atlantic, Army = 10 Conference games

Clemson: 8 ACC Games, A&M, South Carolina, Furman, Georgia Southern = 10 conference games
Florida State: 8 ACC Games, ND, Florida, Samford, Northern Illinois = 10 conference games

Alabama: 8 SEC Games, Louisville, UL Lafayette, Arky State, Citadel = 9 conference games
Florida: 8 SEC Games, Florida State, Charleston Southern, CSU, Idaho = 9 conference games
Georgia: 8 SEC Games, Georgia Tech, Austin Peay, Middle Tenn St, UMass = 9 conference games

I can get down with the Clemson and FSU schedules. SEC?? Absolutely not.
 
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Not Sure said:
It seems to me that a 9 game schedule is handicapping us from a national perspective. Six extra games = six extra losses. We aren’t having any luck convincing the B1G, ACC and SEC to go to 9-game conference schedules. Maybe it’s time we join them even if it means giving up a good travel destination or matchup from time to time.
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At least your screen name fits.
 
Well excuse me for my ignorance. I thought we were the only conference that played 9.

Remember... I’m not sure.
 
TSchekler said:
I guess what I'm getting at is while CU may have 3 OOC games to do whatever they want with each year, most of the time, they schedule another P5 game to go along with CSU and a cupcake, essentially making it a 10 game conference schedule. The programs in SEC/ACC who schedule P5 rivalries every year essentially have 9 conference games and then ALWAYS schedule 3 cupcakes.

2018
CU: 9 Pac 12 Games, CSU, Nebraska, New Hampshire = 10 conference games
USC: 9 Pac 12 Games, ND, Texas, UNLV = 11 conference games
Wisconsin: 9 BIG Games, Western Ken, New Mexico, BYU = 10 conference games
Oklahoma: 9 Big 12 Games, UCLA, Florida Atlantic, Army = 10 Conference games

Clemson: 8 ACC Games, A&M, South Carolina, Furman, Georgia Southern = 10 conference games
Florida State: 8 ACC Games, ND, Florida, Samford, Northern Illinois = 10 conference games

Alabama: 8 SEC Games, Louisville, UL Lafayette, Arky State, Citadel = 9 conference games
Florida: 8 SEC Games, Florida State, Charleston Southern, CSU, Idaho = 9 conference games
Georgia: 8 SEC Games, Georgia Tech, Austin Peay, Middle Tenn St, UMass = 9 conference games

I can get down with the Clemson and FSU schedules. SEC?? Absolutely not.
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Oh, I'm with you on that. It's what I've incessantly pointed out. Alabama played FSU this year? Great. But that only made its schedule to the 2017 CU schedule we all felt was a severely lacking. We both played CSU (them at home, us at a neutral site), both played 9 P5 opponents, and then CU played Texas State & FCS Northern Colorado at home while Bama played Fresno State & FCS Mercer at home. I'll give them the nod for Fresno State being a lot better than Texas State (albeit that was actually a mild surprise last season that they were a lot better since Fresno has been hot garbage), but playing CSU in Alabama as a home team is a lot easier than playing CSU in Denver with a split crowd.

Or we can liken it to the Washington schedule in 2017 that many pundits said wasn't strong enough to get to the playoffs unless they went undefeated. Huh? 9 Pac-12 games, which equates to Bama's 8 SEC games plus Florida State. Then at Rutgers (road game vs lower P5), Fresno State at home and FCS Montana (a good FCS program) at home. How does the perception favor Alabama on that comparison? Especially when Florida State was barely a .500 team this year.
 
I don’t think 8 games would be bad for the pac12 at all. You would see every team at home once every 4 years if they were out of your division and every 2 inside. The thing that is annoying is that the bigger conferences play one less game and they see 6 out of the 14 teams in their conference once every 6 years and once at home every 12 years. That makes zero sense to me. I love conference play, the atmosphere always seems better and there is plenty of room in the OOC to schedule out of conference games or rivalries.

Another point is that we are clearly aligned with the big 10 in just about everything. Adapt their scheduling rules about no fcs games instead of going soft.
 
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