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ASU looks kinda good
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Junction
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Would love to see them make a run at a second BCS berth for the Pac, but I assume the loser of the CCG will be out...
How many at-large bids are there? 1 or 2? Bama's a lock for one spot.
ASU has recruited kids with speed. The old saying still applies, speed doesn't take a night off. They are a threat score on almost any play.
That is one of the things that kills us. Other than PRich how many players do we have who are a threat to turn a well run play into a long TD?
For us when somebody misses a tackle it's a 15 yard gain, for ASU it's 6 points.
Other schools do the same thing and win with it. How many guys does Florida State give the ball to who can't run in the open field, Bama, Baylor, etc.
The two constants of winning football are simple, an offensive line that can block and guys with speed. Sadly we are deficient in both.
That is one of the things that kills us. Other than PRich how many players do we have who are a threat to turn a well run play into a long TD?
For us when somebody misses a tackle it's a 15 yard gain, for ASU it's 6 points.
Other schools do the same thing and win with it. How many guys does Florida State give the ball to who can't run in the open field, Bama, Baylor, etc.
The two constants of winning football are simple, an offensive line that can block and guys with speed. Sadly we are deficient in both.
Junction
Club Member
4. There are 6 automatic bids and 10 spots to fill (4 BCS bowl games + the NC game). No conference can have more than 2 teams among the 10, which means the $EC could theoretically end up with a team in the top 5 that doesn't get in a BCS game (almost certainly Mizzou). Northern Illinois is set to get the bid that's set aside for a non-AQ conference, Bama is a lock, as you say. If Ohio State ends up in the MNC game, the Rose Bowl will probably push for a second Big Can't Count team, probably Michigan State. Which leaves one spot that will probably be up for grabs between the Pac-12 runner up (ASsU/Stanford loser or maybe UCLA), the Smaller Can't Count runner up (**** Bailer) or the ACC runner up (Clem's Son). Unfortunately, since none of those Pac-12 schools figure to travel well and since Wacko is right in between two bowls that will have spots to fill, my guess is that **** Bailer gets the last spot.
Mick Ronson
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kinda hard to root for rich rod or todd graham.....they both seem like assholes.
they are winning. no one complains
they are winning. no one complains
CVilleBuff
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Clemson needed to beat the Cocks today for an at-large
Junction
Club Member
I'm not sure that it matters, honestly. Except **** Bailer, of course. I think it's all going to come down to what order the bowl games choose in.
I think the games themselves get to pick the at-large teams they want. The first picks go to the games that lose their conference tie-in teams. The Rose would lose OSU and the Orange would lose FSU. The Rose Bowl would probably take a Big 10 team to match up with the Pac-12 champ (Michigan State/Stanford, for example), and the Orange would jump on Bama in a second.
Okie Lite would be the "host" team for the Fiesta, and Auburn or Mizzou would be the host team for the Sugar. That leaves a spot in the Orange, one in the Sugar and one in the Fiesta, with Northern Illinois, UCF (assuming they win the CFKA the Big East) and Bailer/Clemson/Pac-12 runner up to fill the third spot.
Nobody is going to make UNI or UCF their first choice at that point. And there is no way the Orange or Sugar is going to choose a Pac-12 team (the Orange would probably choose Clemson, the Sugar would probably prefer them as well, or Bailer). That just leaves the Fiesta, which isn't going to match **** Bailer with Okie Lite. They could take ASsU to sell tickets, but if they also want to get people in from out-of-town, they would probably pass over any of the other Pac-12 teams. So if the Fiesta gets to pick ahead of the Orange or Sugar bowls, the Pac-12 might get a second team. If the Orange or Sugar pick ahead of them, they'll probably take a team like Clemson instead.
But rooting for Bailer to lose is never a wrong choice.
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Junction
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It would have helped for sure. But there's no other ACC team that's a serious candidate, no Big East (or whatever) team that should be in at all, including UCF), and the Big 10 and $EC would already be maxed out. That doesn't leave a lot of choices for the Orange and Sugar Bowls aside from a Big 12 or Pac 12 team, and Clemson would sell a **** ton more tickets in Miami than any of those teams. Possibly in New Orleans too.
FLounder
Think Positive and life will be Positive.
Uh Mizzou and UCF both lost to USC. So I don't understand your logic. I could see the orange bowl doing UCF-Clemson.
So, uh, this happened. (My ASU buddy is watching with me, hence the menehune with the fork.)
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Junction
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Not sure what you mean. The SEC can only get two teams in. The Auburn/Mizzou winner will be one, and Bama is a lock to be the second. USC doesn't really fit into the discussion at this point.
FLounder
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He said UCF doesn't belong in a BCS game. I replied.
Junction
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"He" was me. And CU could also lose to South Carolina. I don't think that means we belong in a BCS game. UCF is the champion of a terrible conference that should have lost its automatic berth several years ago. If they had, Northern Illinois would get the non-AQ berth over UCF. Their best win is either by 3 against Louisville or 3 against Penn State. They've beaten one team that will end the season ranked, assuming Louisville beats Cincinnati. Sorry if that isn't the resume I want out of my BCS bowl teams.
Okay, so, it appears the at large locks are NIU and Alabama. This assumes all higher ranked teams win their games this weekend. Which is far from a certainty.
Auburn v Mizzou
OSU v Mich St
Stanford v ASU
NIU v Bowling Green
OSU v OU
That leaves two open at large spots from this pool:
Baylor
Michigan St
Oregon
Clemson
I have seen a bunch of predictions Mich St gets the nod for the Rose Bowl. I just do not see it when a loss drops them dramatically behind those others. Most also say Clemson would be picked over Oregon.
I have a feeling upsets shuffle the deck in a way no one imagined, like both OSU's and Stanford all losing. Should be a great weekend of college football.
Auburn v Mizzou
OSU v Mich St
Stanford v ASU
NIU v Bowling Green
OSU v OU
That leaves two open at large spots from this pool:
Baylor
Michigan St
Oregon
Clemson
I have seen a bunch of predictions Mich St gets the nod for the Rose Bowl. I just do not see it when a loss drops them dramatically behind those others. Most also say Clemson would be picked over Oregon.
I have a feeling upsets shuffle the deck in a way no one imagined, like both OSU's and Stanford all losing. Should be a great weekend of college football.
somebody
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I don't think there is a BCS spot "reserved" for a non-auto AQ conference. You have to be ranked in the top 14 and have at least 9 wins. Those are the first gates. Then Junc is right, the bowls get to pick from that lot. So in my mind everything depends on the BIG and the PAC CCGs. If the currently lower ranked teams win, which is a real possibility in both cases (the buckeyes have beaten good teams by only one score or less and ASU looks much improved), then you would/could see a traditional Rose Bowl.
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The rules have changed with the addition of the MNC game. On my phone or I would grab the link.
somebody
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About the BCS; http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?page=bcsaboutthestandings
"The four possible at-large positions in the BCS are open to any Division I-A team. This allows any Division I-A school in the nation the opportunity to play in a BCS bowl game, should it qualify to play in the National Championship game or be selected by one of the bowls."
I think I misread the rule for top 14/9 wins - that's only for replacing a BCS host team that has moved to the MNC. My point was really that there is no designated spot for a non-AQ team.
Junction
Club Member
WEll, no designated spot, but you're pretty much always going to have at least one BCS host team moved to the MNC, usually two. So their odds are really good of getting in if they meet the conditions...
EDIT: Looking at the rules on the BCS website itself, there is a designated spot, if the champion of a non-AQ conference is ranked in the top 12, or the top 16 and ranked ahead of an AQ conference champion.
This (still on my phone as I travel...)
You guys here are cool, and yes, ASU has some fast fellers on the team, etc, but I'm not sure I need to obsess about a bunch of morons who wear a different helmet for each game. Same with Oregon. Christ, I could barely WATCH the f'in OR/OSU game with the Day-Glo Candy Chrome helmets and uniforms. The traditionalists who run some of these Bowl committees are all about economics, as they should be, but in a tie many will find a way to go with anyone other than a late night, no-identity, carpetbagger-coached P12 team. Look, just because CU nomaded over to this conference doesn't mean we have to love it or buy into it lock, stock & barrel. Once you get beyond Stanford, and sometimes USC, these MFers are a mile wide and an inch deep culturally and are not worthy of our support, our attention, or our respect. Just my Opinion, as always. I just don't feel the need to upgrade my opinion of this conference just bcuz we are in it.
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