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Boise State Trending Up or Down?
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Bigbuffs
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If what you say is true then beating CSU could possibly be a huge factor in getting back in on his recruitment. If we beat them and get off to a good start, we just might show the turnaround he wants out of us.
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They can still make it out of the Mountain West. Do they have to have an undefeated season and meet all the end of year ranking requirements? Yes, but they still can get to a BCS game just like they did when they beat Oklahoma and TCU coming out of the WAC.
The pressure is still on the bowls to include a team from outside the major conferences, BSU gives them a known name. Don't see any reason that they will decline in the quality of their team, they continue to recruit like they have for years and maintain their pipeline of developing talent.
It also isn't a case of them making a huge step up in moving from the WAC to the MWC, in fact they brought a bunch of the WAC with them. At the same time despite their bleatings the MWC isn't a world beater confernce. They have some good teams but they also have New Mexico, UNLV, CSU, Wyoming, etc that are the same level of teams that BSU has feasted on for years.
That all said for a kid like Ballage going to Boise is like going into exile. Their games are never on national TV unless they are in the Thursday night midnight est slot. In order to have a shot at a major bowl they have to be perfect, lose one game and the rest of the season is irrelevant with a trip to Vegas to play in front of 25k fans as the end result. Since they are that much better than most of the teams they play they also don't get to play in the memorable type games that people will remember. You don't get CU's miracle in Michigan or the fifth down game when the point spread is 45 going into the fourth quarter against some team that most of the country doesn't even know plays FBS football.
nocoolnamejim
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BSU's new terms of agreement to go back to the MWC guarantee a minimum of three national television games per year.
http://blogs.idahostatesman.com/boise-state-football-guaranteed-three-games-national-tv-bonus-games/
It's important to note that three games a year is a MINIMUM number. Last year, ten different Boise State football games were nationally televised.
http://news.boisestate.edu/update/2...television-schedule-for-2012-football-season/
Eight of those 10 were played on a Saturday.
You're correct that in order to have memorable games that people remember, you have to have games against relatively evenly matched teams and many of the MWC teams do not qualify. But BSU has drawn national attention for years now for a reason: their games against OOC foes are interesting and every year they are relevant to the national conversation. They would have made a BCS bowl last year with one loss before dropping a second game to San Diego State.
Certainly there are programs that would be MORE prominent than BSU out there, but to say for Ballage to go there is like going into exile or that their games are never on national television is factually incorrect. Nor does a team have to be in the top-10 to be relevant.
Is it really a national game when it comes on at 9:00pm pst meaning it starts at midnight eastern. It may be on the airwaves but that doesn't mean anyone is watching.
As to the comment above that the MWC is a tougher conference than the WAC was it would appear that a disproportionate number of the better programs in the MWC are teams that came in from the WAC so that argument doesn't hold water. Boise, Fresno, and San Jose from the WAC will contend for the top of the league while CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, and UNLV aren't much of a threat to Boise.
I see Boise continuing to dominate in a lower quality conference. They aren't going to be taken seriously because 2-3 legitimate opponents a year doesn't get you respect and outside of when they get a major bowl most people won't be watching them even if they are on TV.
As to the comment above that the MWC is a tougher conference than the WAC was it would appear that a disproportionate number of the better programs in the MWC are teams that came in from the WAC so that argument doesn't hold water. Boise, Fresno, and San Jose from the WAC will contend for the top of the league while CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, and UNLV aren't much of a threat to Boise.
I see Boise continuing to dominate in a lower quality conference. They aren't going to be taken seriously because 2-3 legitimate opponents a year doesn't get you respect and outside of when they get a major bowl most people won't be watching them even if they are on TV.
nocoolnamejim
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There is no question that conference affiliation hurts BSU and is a major roadblock. Anyone who claims that being in the MWC doesn't hurt the program is blind, but I think any perennial top-25 team (and 9 final top-25 finishes in the last 11 years qualifies) gets you taken seriously and gets you respect. BSU returns only 9 starters this year and still was placed 19th in preseason polls. That's respect. Plus, honestly, how many people really watch a school like Washington State or (sorry) Colorado nationally these days?
A top-25 team draws national attention. Getting 6 players drafted into the NFL two years back, including two in the first round, draws attention. BSU has had attention for years because they are always a threat to break into a BCS bowl and always have that "challenging the status quo" debate going for them.
As I said, there are schools that would have a higher national profile and get MORE attention than BSU, but any team that is in the top-25 and threatening to be in a BCS bowl gets national attention until they are no longer contending for such a bowl.
The first game loss to Michigan State took a bit of the luster off of last season, but they hardly vanished from the radar entirely.
A top-25 team draws national attention. Getting 6 players drafted into the NFL two years back, including two in the first round, draws attention. BSU has had attention for years because they are always a threat to break into a BCS bowl and always have that "challenging the status quo" debate going for them.
As I said, there are schools that would have a higher national profile and get MORE attention than BSU, but any team that is in the top-25 and threatening to be in a BCS bowl gets national attention until they are no longer contending for such a bowl.
The first game loss to Michigan State took a bit of the luster off of last season, but they hardly vanished from the radar entirely.
BSU's got nothing to apologize for. If playing in a major conference that allows you to compete against the best and play on a bigger stage every week (stadiums come into play here, too) isn't a significant factor for a recruit, then BSU is a program a lot of western recruits are going to give a good long look to. Location hurts them, though. Not only distance from where the recruits live but also lack of road trips to opponents in the home towns of their recruits.
What do you have issue with?
Earlier poster said that he expects Boise to go into a decline now that they are in the MWC, I stated that the facts don't support that. Also stated that there is a limit to how much exposure a player is going to get at Boise. MWC doesn't have good national TV slots, also have pretty low profile bowl tie-ins if a team like Boise doesn't get an invite to one of the majors.
Even if Boise goes undefeated they aren't going to be given the same credit and respect as a one loss team from some of the higher profile conferences.
Tell me what part of the above is false.
PAC12 isn't the SEC but it is way above the MWC.
Sagarin rankings by conference for last year.
CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%
1 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 81.75 81.57 ( 1) 14 81.64 ( 1)
2 BIG 12 (A) = 79.99 79.38 ( 2) 10 79.54 ( 2)
3 PAC-12 (A) = 76.15 75.58 ( 3) 12 75.85 ( 3)
4 BIG TEN (A) = 75.87 75.05 ( 4) 12 75.24 ( 4)
5 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 72.83 72.73 ( 5) 4 72.82 ( 5)
6 BIG EAST (A) = 72.16 71.87 ( 7) 8 71.91 ( 6)
7 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 71.64 71.92 ( 6) 12 71.80 ( 7)
8 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A) = 64.57 64.82 ( 8) 7 64.72 ( 8)
9 SUN BELT (A) = 62.95 62.95 ( 9) 10 62.95 ( 9)
10 MID-AMERICAN (A) = 62.60 62.37 ( 11) 13 62.44 ( 11)
11 CONFERENCE USA (A) = 62.18 62.64 ( 10) 12 62.52 ( 10)
12 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 61.53 60.79 ( 13) 10 60.94 ( 13)
13 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 60.97 61.82 ( 12) 10 61.64 ( 12)
Doesn't mean Boise is a bad team, to the contrary, but the majority of the MWC sucks.
I could add recruiting rankings coming in, NFL draft choices coming out, etc.
Doesn't mean we are any good either since we firmly planted ourselves at the bottom of the PAC but to equate the MWC to the PAC is Kizla-esk.
I can see why a recruit would choose Boise, I can also see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't. All depends on how big a pond you want to swim in.
Boise is now a small pond without their unique offensive advantage. They are a "has been". I'm burying Nevada and San Diego State tonight as well. The Pistol is now not so "unique" and SDSU is slipping still post Hoke.
Rough week for the MW.
We might as well add to it then, end their week with another loss.
aik
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F**k.
somebody
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Haven't read any of the fors or againsts, but I'm going to disagree with this. They really need to apologize for that field.
Need my computer to do that. Game day!!!
This.