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Boulderites who hate the CU football program

rialto

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http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-news/ci_20441285/420-cu-boulder-closure-protests-marijuana#idc-cover

http://www.dailycamera.com/cu-college-sports/ci_19862156#idc-cover

I have come to conclude that many in Boulder absolutely hate CU football and spread lies and mistruths to justify their point of view. This matters because I think it is one of the many reasons we struggle to get cooperation from the city and faculty, as well as the CU admin who pander to some of these morons. Here a choice few comments:

- "CU has made some awesomely bad decisions, usually in defense of their moronic football program"

- "CU Football is profitable for CU Football. Were it actually profitable for the school as a whole, then perhaps they wouldn't need to raise tuition 5%. Did CU Football profits pay for the fact that it cost twice as much to squash this protest as it did in the past to oversee it? Nope. That money came out of the pockets of parents and the students who take out loans to go to school",

- "CU Football is heavily subsidized by the University, in some very public ways, and in some not-so-public ways. Football isn't profitable, not even close, when you add up everything. In fact, there are only a handful of actual profitable college football programs in existence, and, sorry for you, but the few that make money are all large colleges with a much better record over the decades than CU. A mediocre (most of the time) CU football team certainly does not have the recognition or pull to make a profit"

- "If the poobahs who run the CU zoo were seriously concerned with bad PR, they'd quit giving themselves fat pay raises and disband the football program"

 - "What?! A football player has been accused (and is likely guilty of) committing a crime? I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I TELL YOU!"

- "If you can honestly sit there and say that NONE of their negative publicity has anything to do with their out of control football players creating drunken brawls, committing rape and, as of late, strolling into a women's shower room, you clearly have no clue what's going on"

- Re: Percak, who was later found not guilty - "You obviously don't. Remember, big, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life"

- "And let the 2nd half of the CU football teams season begin, public drunkenness, disorderly conduct,sexual assaults...."
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The people who make those comments likely got pushed around by jocks in high school.
 
DBT said:
The people who make those comments likely got pushed around by jocks and the girls in high school.
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It is interesting that many of these same people who complain about athletics (which pay for themselves and enjoy broad support and interest) will also argue that there are not enough subsidies for their pet interest, normally the things they participated in (which don't come close to paying for themselves and have very narrow interest.)

These are the same people who complain about HS sports and at the same time want more money for high school arts and music programs, who complain about tax money for stadiums and want more money for the symphony.

I don't have any problem with money for these types of things, I can see their value but the envy is interesting to see. In the end I don't think it has anything to do with the money, it is all about who gets the attention, and they never did.
 
There is no reason to hate football. Football is self funded, and football funds almost all the sports on campus. The academic standards are higher than most Universities for football. I don't get it.
 
I'd bet those same people love Title IX and the opportunity it gives women. But they rip football, which makes having women's sports possible. Take football away and you might as well get rid of the entire varsity athletic program.
 
They are sad and angry people, valuable only for their lunatic fringe comedy, never speaking these words directly to a member of the program, but fast to grandstand at a rally or a letters to the editor page.
 
Those sad and angry fans must be Nebraska fans living in Boulder. Didn't know there were so many of them. They should shut the f*** up and move out of town.
 
They love no football, they aren't huskers because they don't end their anti CU diatribes with genuflection towards Dr. Tom.
 
The part that I find really funny is the assumption that, if there were no sports, I would donatethat money to the adademic needs. Not true. I enjoy watching sports at CU and so I support them with some money. But if there were no sports I would have no assocaition with CU and CU would get none of my money.
 
BeBe said:
The part that I find really funny is the assumption that, if there were no sports, I would donatethat money to the adademic needs. Not true. I enjoy watching sports at CU and so I support them with some money. But if there were no sports I would have no assocaition with CU and CU would get none of my money.
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The experience of most universities echos what you say. Comparable schools with or without successful athletic programs see a significant difference in non-athletic donations. Schools that have success on the field or court also see significant increases over years when their teams are less successful.

A while back somebody on this board referenced a significant difference in faculty salaries between comparable schools with or without major athletics programs.
 
Morons. Our University has no greater PR than our football team. And that PR is PROFITABLE.
 
bigbang2 said:
There is no reason to hate football. Football is self funded, and football funds almost all the sports on campus. The academic standards are higher than most Universities for football. I don't get it.
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Too be fair you don't get A LOT of things... but I agree with you on this
 
Maybe it is because people see an athletic fee on their tuition bill they believe the football program costs them. I doubt anyone reads their tuition bill that carefully, but seems like a large amount of fallacies get out. I am sure it is probably just dumb people saying dumb things that can't be explained.

Edit: Athletic Fee is 28.50/semester "Supports quality intercollegiate athletics programs and reduces student ticket prices."
http://bursar.colorado.edu/tuition-fees/fees-description/student-fees/#
 
btbuff said:
Maybe it is because people see an athletic fee on their tuition bill they believe the football program costs them. I doubt anyone reads their tuition bill that carefully, but seems like a large amount of fallacies get out. I am sure it is probably just dumb people saying dumb things that can't be explained.

Edit: Athletic Fee is 28.50/semester "Supports quality intercollegiate athletics programs and reduces student ticket prices."
http://bursar.colorado.edu/tuition-fees/fees-description/student-fees/#
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Doesn't that also get students the rec center and fields they use?
 
Buffnik said:
Doesn't that also get students the rec center and fields they use?
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Even so, I think the sentiment is more anti-sports or maybe anti-men's sports, or maybe anti-men's major sports than anti-football in and of itself. This is an ages old rift in Boulder and to be fair a good portion of it seems to come from off campus. A certain frequent former poster on the DC comes to mind. As with many things, when certain folks are of a mind, facts and reason are never allowed to get in the way.
 
Rialto - I'm going to take you to task a little bit here - the two articles you linked were to stories about unsavory or controversial events taking place at CU. One was a story about the 4/20 stuff. The other an article about Will Pericak's pyromania. Both were going to attract a certain element of people who have an anti-CU bias to begin with. These people are represent a very small minority in Boulder. I honestly believe that to be the case. Most Boulderites either A) respect the University and the athletic department for the good things it does or B) at least tolerate the University because they understand the benefits it brings to the City. Boulder would be another Castle Rock if not for CU, and only a very small number of folks in town don't understand that very basic fact.
 
This just means the PR department is out to lunch. Ringo and Thorburn are ready to spread their butt holes for Embree, yet when was the last time you read about CU players visiting sick kids in hospitals or building houses for habitat for humanity? CU football does have an image problem in Boulder from the crimes, but its not a hard problem to fix. Two mornings a year you send five players to the hospital to play with cancer patients, then Ringo and Thorburn write features about it.
 
cardinalbuf7 said:
This just means the PR department is out to lunch. Ringo and Thorburn are ready to spread their butt holes for Embree, yet when was the last time you read about CU players visiting sick kids in hospitals or building houses for habitat for humanity? CU football does have an image problem in Boulder from the crimes, but its not a hard problem to fix. Two mornings a year you send five players to the hospital to play with cancer patients, then Ringo and Thorburn write features about it.
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Pretty sure the only time on record CU football team ever did anything even mildly civilized and altruistic was in the lead up to the Independence Bowl down in Shreveport.

Other than that, the program has been frozen in time circa 2002 in a permascandal.

Thank you John Henderson and Nairopa Nancy.
 
sackman said:
Rialto - I'm going to take you to task a little bit here - the two articles you linked were to stories about unsavory or controversial events taking place at CU. One was a story about the 4/20 stuff. The other an article about Will Pericak's pyromania. Both were going to attract a certain element of people who have an anti-CU bias to begin with. These people are represent a very small minority in Boulder. I honestly believe that to be the case. Most Boulderites either A) respect the University and the athletic department for the good things it does or B) at least tolerate the University because they understand the benefits it brings to the City. Boulder would be another Castle Rock if not for CU, and only a very small number of folks in town don't understand that very basic fact.
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There are a few people in Boulder who would prefer this. Their numbers may not be large but there are enough of them to be a pain in the backside. They would love Boulder to be their exclusive little piece of heaven. They think that without the university all the things they like would stay, their favorite resturaunts, the cultural opportunities, etc. but all the negatives would go away. They don't want to realize that you don't get one without the other.

There are also those inside of CU who have fantasies about being able to be some Ivy league school where athletics don't matter and they can be "recognized" for their "academic" pusuits and just because they are so dog gone special. These are the people who also think that all the money that goes into the athletic program from ticket sales and donations would magically be transfered to their little kingdoms if those "stupid jocks" would just go away.

They don't have any basis in reality but that has never stopped them from trying to get their way before and won't stop them in the future.
 
There is a town in Colorado that is Boulder without the football team, and it's not Castle Rock.

It's called Aspen.
 
This is nothing new and has always been going on in Boulder. Back in the 1970's when I went to CU, it was everywhere. All the pseudo-intellectuals, cosmic, granola
Eastern religion freaks, Naropa poets, and all the uptight, paranoid transplanted east and west coasters, and especially the CU administration itself was always anti-athletic.
 
I hope it helps that Bohn finally has the budget to hire an executive in charge of marketing.
 
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