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Brilliant piece on how Boyle built CU into a winner
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New SI article on Boyle the rise of Buff basketball
Great stuff, and really good pub for the program.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20131210/colorado-basketball-on-the-rise/
Great stuff, and really good pub for the program.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20131210/colorado-basketball-on-the-rise/
SI: How Tad Boyle built downtrodden Colorado into a Pac-12 contender
Great article and so worth the read.
You guys are going to want to read the whole thing, but there's a part I wanted to post. Spoiler alert: there's some very interesting stuff at the end about Tad's future at CU and whether he'll leave when an elite program comes calling.
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"The smartest guy in our profession is Mark Few," says Boyle. "He has stayed at Gonzaga because he understands that it comes down to what you value. I have three children, and I can't imagine raising them anywhere else."
Coaches have professed such devotion before and then left, chasing more money or because they don't truly believe they can win consistently where they are. "And that is why I see Tad coaching Colorado for the rest of his career," Turgeon says. "He's proven he doesn't do things for money. And with the players he is getting, he can have as much success [at Colorado] as anywhere else. I'd be shocked to see him leave."
Shocked because, in a way, it would be Boyle making the same mistake he made coming out of high school more than 30 years ago.
"At Colorado, I can make huge difference," Boyle says. "Why would I go somewhere else when we are building something here that has never been done before? Why would I leave when we have everything we need to do something really special right here?"[/hide]
Great article and so worth the read.
You guys are going to want to read the whole thing, but there's a part I wanted to post. Spoiler alert: there's some very interesting stuff at the end about Tad's future at CU and whether he'll leave when an elite program comes calling.
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"The smartest guy in our profession is Mark Few," says Boyle. "He has stayed at Gonzaga because he understands that it comes down to what you value. I have three children, and I can't imagine raising them anywhere else."
Coaches have professed such devotion before and then left, chasing more money or because they don't truly believe they can win consistently where they are. "And that is why I see Tad coaching Colorado for the rest of his career," Turgeon says. "He's proven he doesn't do things for money. And with the players he is getting, he can have as much success [at Colorado] as anywhere else. I'd be shocked to see him leave."
Shocked because, in a way, it would be Boyle making the same mistake he made coming out of high school more than 30 years ago.
"At Colorado, I can make huge difference," Boyle says. "Why would I go somewhere else when we are building something here that has never been done before? Why would I leave when we have everything we need to do something really special right here?"[/hide]
Oh my. I just got all shivery at the possibilities of what we can be. Wow. Wow.
Those last two sentences are absolutely true. As long as we give Tad the tools to win, he will stay here and win. Don't **** this up, RG.
Another point I've made before is that you don't recruit certain players that you'll need to develop for 3 or 4 years (instead of targeting a transfer option) and you don't redshirt a talent like Wes Gordon if you're not planning to stay for the long haul.
With Tad, we've got more than just what he says. There's a history of his life choices and also current behavior that backs up what he's saying.
As long as he has the things he needs to win at CU (fan support, administration support, budget & facilities) and is being fairly compensated, he won't leave. There wouldn't be a "greener pasture".
With Tad, we've got more than just what he says. There's a history of his life choices and also current behavior that backs up what he's saying.
As long as he has the things he needs to win at CU (fan support, administration support, budget & facilities) and is being fairly compensated, he won't leave. There wouldn't be a "greener pasture".
FlatironsBuff
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I have never been a basketball fan at any level. Tad has made me start to pay attention and learn the nuances of the game. Some schools have game changes at them. Coach Wooten at UCLA. Coach K at Duke. I am not saying Tad will win at those levels, for that long, but as far as the history of CU basketball, Tad can be that coach for us. Be our 'Original Mac'. (without the controversy) I am excited to see what the next ten years brings for CU basketball.
Roll Tad!!
Roll Tad!!
By reading that the impression I got is, he would only think about leaving if he has won championships. I think that is the end goal, because then and only then would Tad be able to tell himself he has left a mark, has built the program to the top and it might be time for a new challenge.
FlatironsBuff
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Interestingly enough, in another thread someone is saying that MM struck while the iron was hot' by parlaying his 10 win season into the CU job, and saying that is a mark against MM. But Boyle makes it clear in the article that that is exactly what he did at UNC in Greeley. If Buzz leaves one year earlier Bohn could not have sold people on hiring Boyle. So yes, maybe MM did use a great year to move up......but so did Boyle. Will CU strike gold two hires in a row? I hope so...and I think we did. I also hope MM reads the article and the seed is planted so he decides to stay long term like Boyle plans to.
I think MM is going to have a tougher sell to jump to a new school right now. But if we give him the same support we have given Boyle, I think he can achieve that success.
We, arguably, have when you consider Lappe.
She has done some incredible things with Women's Bball. She is young enough that she may be here for 30+ years if she keeps up this level of success. She has us on track to compete for the Pac-12 Title. We were competitive with Cal and Stanford last year, and I think we may beat them this year.
FlatironsBuff
Well-Known Member
Competing for Championships in Womens BB, Mens BB, Track, Skiing, and hopefully in a few years, football. Can you start to see the resurgence of CU going up?
RG has got us all excited.
HCMM has said a lot about his friendship with Tad. IF HCMM turns out to be the man to lead our program to credibilty (and I think he is, given Pinkel amounts of time), it would be amazing if the friendship turned into a duel (triple, with Lappe) long-term CU tenure for major sports. I know stuff like that doesn't happen in the real world, but a fan can dream, can't he?
But to be serious, he did something very right in hiring Tad. Roll Tad!
Yellow Shirt
Club Member
Knowing all of that, I finally really think he stays. Huge thanks for the link. Rarely to stories have that much depth and so many layers. Great read.
cubuffs85
Active Member
I'm giving Bohn more credit for Tad after that. I thought he might've previously just lucked into Tad and maybe he somewhat did, after all, he wasn't that far away. But it's clear he had done his homework on him. It would've been easier to hire McClain, Dunlap was seen as a good choice; who knows how either would've done here? Couldn't have asked for much more than we got from Tad this far (and hopefully in the years to come).
Weird for me as a Terps fan seeing all those Turgeon quotes. Tad at this point garners much more respect among the Buff faithful than Turge does at Maryland (although he's still high given it's only the third year and he's done some great recruiting -- will be interesting with Dalonte Hill out of the mix, how they do going forward). I never would've guessed 5 years ago, that Boyle would have more success at CU than Turgeon has had at Maryland. That said, a lot tougher act for Turgeon to follow the best coach in Maryland sports history; even if Maryland has better facilities and a better recruiting area.
Weird for me as a Terps fan seeing all those Turgeon quotes. Tad at this point garners much more respect among the Buff faithful than Turge does at Maryland (although he's still high given it's only the third year and he's done some great recruiting -- will be interesting with Dalonte Hill out of the mix, how they do going forward). I never would've guessed 5 years ago, that Boyle would have more success at CU than Turgeon has had at Maryland. That said, a lot tougher act for Turgeon to follow the best coach in Maryland sports history; even if Maryland has better facilities and a better recruiting area.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
I expect Turgeon to do fairly well at Maryland although this will be an NIT year. However, something sticks in my mind that he just isn't a good fit for the ACC. Going to the B1G might benefit Turg.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Sometimes things just work out like this. If he goes to Colorado and becomes a star player, does he still end up here? And if so, is he another Embree? I'm happy things worked out how they did in this case.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah looking more and more like the NIT this year, losing to Oregon State was just unacceptable. The GW loss was easier to take, but that's still a game you should win.
He's got some rope with the recruiting but I think if he doesn't make the tournament, he could be on the hot set. They haven't made the Tournament since Vasquez/Hayes/Millbourne's Sr. year -- that's an entire class now that might not see a NCAA Tournament game. GW didn't leave a great product behind and on the MD board I'm on, there's a constant battles back-and-forth with how much GW is responsible for the current product.
It just came out last week that that Brenda Freese/Turgeon were against the Big 10 move and had to be sold on it (not that they had a choice). I agree though that the Big 10 will likely benefit his style of play more.
I agree. Plus, I think having played at Kansas is a huge selling point when he gets into a recruit's house - I may hate the school but it does carry a lot of weight in basketball circles.
cubuffs85
Active Member
By giving him the same support, you mean more since football costs substantially more than basketball?
Learning the game from Larry Brown is the basketball equivalent to MacIntyre getting to study under Bill Parcells in football.
Those guys are the masters at their craft.
Tad wouldn't be anywhere close to the coach he is if he hadn't had the experience under Brown.
Those guys are the masters at their craft.
Tad wouldn't be anywhere close to the coach he is if he hadn't had the experience under Brown.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Yeah his entire background is great to me -- homegrown CO product, goes to basketball power in KU, becomes a Captain there(and being a role player probably benefits him, great players don't necessarily make great coaches), lives a pretty good lifestyle as a stockbroker while coaching high school basketball, he reevaluates his priorities after the accident -- taking a job in what he loves to do albeit a fraction of the money, works his way up, takes over one of the worst programs in D-I and leads them to great success, gets hired by/achieves unheard of success in such a short time at the flagship school in his home state.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Just please don't have MM be another Al Groh. Been there done that, if MM ever starts saying the word "circumstances" every other sentence, we've got a major problem.
cubuffs85
Active Member
Is it fair to say Tad is closer to Brown than MM is to Parcells?
cubuffs85
Active Member
How high are you on Mike London?
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Beyond negative. I didn't support it ever. He recruits but he's beyond clueless as a coach and that was apparent from day one.