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CFP Ranking
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I could conceivably see all top 4 team losing. In which case - DAMN IT!!! Even two of them. This is why I hate the playoffs!
Kuratz
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For #10 USC:
-Pass Miami if Clemson wins
-Pass OSU and PSU if Wisconsin wins
-Pass Georgia if Auburn Wins
-Need TCU to win and get benefit of doubt from committee.
And that still would leave Alabama in the 4th spot.
I mean **** USC but would still like to see the PAC have some success in the CFP
-Pass Miami if Clemson wins
-Pass OSU and PSU if Wisconsin wins
-Pass Georgia if Auburn Wins
-Need TCU to win and get benefit of doubt from committee.
And that still would leave Alabama in the 4th spot.
I mean **** USC but would still like to see the PAC have some success in the CFP
jkppkjjkp
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Bama might be better than USC/TCU/tOSU; but they haven't exactly proven it on the field this season. Bama's best wins are over LSU and Mississippi State; not bad teams but not great either; pretty comparable to Wisconsin's best wins over Iowa, Michigan, and Northwestern.
I think pedigree will get the Tide in over USC/TCU/tOSU if any of them win their conference; which is stupid. So long as there are 5 power conferences and only 4 playoff spots, I think winning your conference should be a prerequisite to getting a playoff berth.
I think pedigree will get the Tide in over USC/TCU/tOSU if any of them win their conference; which is stupid. So long as there are 5 power conferences and only 4 playoff spots, I think winning your conference should be a prerequisite to getting a playoff berth.
SerenityBuff
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Well said. There is no way a person should argue that Alabama is deserving of a playoff spot when they won't be the conference champion. With 8 teams yes but only 4 - nope, they didn't get it done.
Auburn at #2 is an absolute joke, they have two losses. There is no way they should be ahead of an undefeated Power 5 conference leader at this point, nor OU for that matter with one loss. I know Wisconsin's schedule is soft but they are undefeated. Why does the SEC get passes for losses when other conferences are not afforded the same consideration?
With only 4 playoff spots, it becomes an absolute joke if a non conference champion gets in when other conference champs are left out. You need a minimum of 8 teams in the playoffs if more than one team from a conference is to have a spot. It's also a joke to put teams with multiple losses ahead of other conference leaders who are undefeated.
We still don't have a true national champion that is decided on the field of play, and it's sad.
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somebody
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jkppkjjkp
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I could see, but maybe not agree with, an argument for Bama if they had a better schedule. If they had only lost the Iron Bowl, but FSU was an 8-10 win team instead of mediocre, and if they had matched up against Georgia or even South Carolina instead of one of Vandy/Tennessee in their interdivisional games, then you could argue that they really earned the bid even if they dropped their division.
I think the 8 team playoff will be here in a few more years. Something like the p5 conference champs get automatic bids and 3 at-large bids selected by committee, maybe even force the committee to give one of the 3 at-large bids to the top Go5 school.
This year that might look like Wisconsin, Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia, USC (or their winning opponents in the CCGs) with UCF, Bama, and Miami (or one of a few other choices) getting the at-large bids. There are still tough choices to make for the last few spots but I'm much more comfortable with deciding between leaving out the loser of the ACC CCG or the loser of the B1G CCG than I am with potentially leaving out a B1G/P12/XII champ in favor of a team that didn't win its conference.
Ideally Georgia, Wisconsin, OU, and Clemson all win their conference championships. That would probably be the first time you would truly have the 4 best teams. However, if Auburn beats Georgia a second time, I think they are deserving.
Let's be clear about something, and I have always said this about the idea of college football playoffs - no one will ever be happy. You expand it to 8, then people will bitch about who got stuck at 9 and 10 and want a 16 team playoff. Look at college basketball - people complain about who got stuck at number 67.
Having said that, the notion that winning your conference, hell winning your division, is unimportant in terms of winning the national championship is ridiculous to me. Maybe that's because we got ****ed in favor of NU in 2001, but I think it's really just common sense. You don't win your conference, you're undeserving of playing for the national championship.
Seems fair to me.
Having said that, the notion that winning your conference, hell winning your division, is unimportant in terms of winning the national championship is ridiculous to me. Maybe that's because we got ****ed in favor of NU in 2001, but I think it's really just common sense. You don't win your conference, you're undeserving of playing for the national championship.
Seems fair to me.
The difference between bitching about #5 and #6 with a 4 team playoff and bitching about #9 and #10 in an 8 team playoff is that all P5 conference champions would rightfully be in the playoff with 8 teams. That's where most of the controversy is right now... How can a P5 conference champion get left out of the playoff and a team like Ohio State (last year) get in, when they didn't even win their own division?
Two CFP spots are taken by winners of SEC and ACC championship games. With Auburn at 2 losses, but in, does this mean the committee would favor a 2-loss conference champion in OSU, TCU, or USC over a 1-loss non-champion in Alabama or Wisconsin? I think they should reward conference champions, especially in this case where the 1-loss team lost in their last game of the season.
Regarding the complaints from Wisconsin fans: I'm assuming you're upset about not being higher because you feel you'll get snubbed in seeding if you win the Big 10 and not because you think being ranked at 1 or 2 would keep you in the playoff if you lost a close one to OSU, right? Thanks for your responses.
Regarding the complaints from Wisconsin fans: I'm assuming you're upset about not being higher because you feel you'll get snubbed in seeding if you win the Big 10 and not because you think being ranked at 1 or 2 would keep you in the playoff if you lost a close one to OSU, right? Thanks for your responses.
my complaint as a Wisconsin fan is than an undefeated P5 team is ranked behind a two-loss school and two one-loss schools.
But it's not only about losses, wins matter too. Oklahoma and Auburn have much better wins. Clemson's are better, but not great. I think Wisconsin should be behind Auburn and Oklahoma, but ahead of Clemson. Either way, same things would happen after this weekend. Win and you're in.
I agree with this.
I disagree here. Even if you argue that UW's schedule and quality of wins is better, you're not accounting for Wisconsin's undefeated season. Clemson had an off night, Oklahoma had an off night, Auburn had two. Wisconsin got it up EVERY FVCKING SATURDAY and drilled their opponent -- that should count for a lot.
1. you imply that seeding is irrelevant w/r/t probability of advancing in the playoffs, which doesn't make sense to me and I suspect is not something you really believe yourself.
2. seeding will determine whether a team plays in the Rose Bowl or not, which is a BFD for old-school Big Ten fans (including boosters). If the Badgers stay at #4, they get the Sugar.
I agree with almost everything here, but if they beat OSU and get into the CFP, they should be focused on the Natty, not the Rose Bowl. You guys and your ****ing nostalgia toward the Rose Bowl. It's cool when you're CU playing in the Pac 12 CG and have no shot at the CFP, but when you're an undefeated Wisconsin team vying for a National Championship, act as if!
given the four year history of watching of the CFP polls, my prediction for that scenario, assuming Clemson wins, is that Alabama and Georgia jump to #3 and #2 respectively and the B1G champ gets the #4 spot.
Wisconsin would go to #3 IMO.
Eh, I wouldn't say they drilled every opponent. And even if we do use drilled, the best teams you beat were all at home and lost at least 3 games (Northwestern 3, Michigan 4, Iowa 5). I know they didn't choose to have a weak schedule and took care of business against all opponents, but unfortunately it's still not as impressive as the wins compiled by other teams.
I didn't account for seeding because when I asked if you were upset about seeding, you didn't mention it. You just mentioned the ranking behind teams with losses.
Clemson, Wisconsin, Georgia, Alabama in that order. That would be my guess. Maybe put Georgia at #2, just so the SEC can bitch more.