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Coach Bill McCartney's HOF Speech

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Original title of thread was "Michigan Coach Bill McCartney's HOF Speech". Note that this speech was posted to cubuffs.com without any explanation that Bill McCartney was speaking on behalf of the entire induction class. Individual speeches were not given. Ignorance as to the context of this speech led to incorrect speculation in the first however-many posts until "new **** came to light".
 
Think he is still a little upset with how the buff4life crowd was promptly removed from the inner workings of the AD?
 
Wow. Looking more and more like a bitter old man. I am a big McCartney fan, but that is very disappointing. The only place that gave a you a HC job and you can't even bring yourself to say the name.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Think he is still a little upset with how the buff4life crowd was promptly removed from the inner workings of the AD?
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I'm speculating he's still bitter with how Embree was treated at "his" program. Rick George should try to get him on board. I follow his son on Twitter/interact with him regularly, I know he was a big fan of the George hire. The family absolutely hated Bohn.
 
Honestly, if he is still that bitter, bitter enough to snub the institution that gave him the job that got him to the HOF in the first place, I think it might be better to let him stay out to pasture. And as I said, I am a big Coach Mac fan. That is the sign of a pretty small person IMO. If he cannot get past it, better to go separate ways and remember the good times.
 
leftybuff said:
Honestly, if he is still that bitter, bitter enough to snub the institution that gave him the job that got him to the HOF in the first place, I think it might be better to let him stay out to pasture. And as I said, I am a big Coach Mac fan. That is the sign of a pretty small person IMO. If he cannot get past it, better to go separate ways and remember the good times.
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and gave his grandson a scholarship. He needs to get over it. CU and our history + future are bigger than him.
 
cubuffs85 said:
I'm speculating he's still bitter with how Embree was treated at "his" program. Rick George should try to get him on board. I follow his son on Twitter/interact with him regularly, I know he was a big fan of the George hire. The family absolutely hated Bohn.
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Bohn, well liked by the fans, appears to have been a sources of the football problems. Fired Barnett (now questionable). Hired Hawkins (ouch). Hired Embree (ouch). Seems to have righted the ship with MacIntyre (TBD). Obviously successful in MBB and non footnball hires. Couldn't fund raise. Now Gone.

McCartney should not have quit when he did. He relinquished his say over things at that moment. I too hope he comes back into the fold.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Bohn, well liked by the fans, appears to have been a sources of the football problems. Fired Barnett (now questionable). Hired Hawkins (ouch). Hired Embree (ouch). Seems to have righted the ship with MacIntyre (TBD). Obviously successful in MBB and non footnball hires. Couldn't fund raise. Now Gone.

McCartney should not have quit when he did. He relinquished his say over things at that moment. I too hope he comes back into the fold.
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To be fair, who knows how Barnett would've done if he had been retained? In 2007, after it appeared football was headed in the right direction; football players were saying in articles how Barnett's departure was a "necessary evil." But then after Hawk was fired, I saw many of them were saying "Barnett should've never been fired."
 
Not a big fan of legendary coaches, casting their shadows over programs once they are gone. The coach should have the support of the legends of the program, but should be able to do things their way. There's a fine line on this IMO.
 
I listened to the speech and I'm not offended. Would it have been nice to have said something about the great players and years they had at Colorado? Sure.
 
Pretty deck move there. Maybe you're mad at the school, at least say something about the players you coached that got you into the HOF. I think Alfred Williams traveled out there to honor him, maybe others did as well. Weak sauce.

EDIT: maybe he said more at the other events.
 
I think he is more bitter about CU not hiring his guy (Simmons,) later firing his guy (GB,) replacing him with a guy who tried to cleanse the program of the history and traditions that Mac built. Then they came around and hired a guy who was 100% a Mac guy in Embree along with a number of assistants who were his guys and who brought him back front and center. He took it completely personally when the school then fired that coach and his staff ignoring the reality of what was happening on the field.

Lost in our discussion of Klatt and his response to the JE firing is the fact that Mac was very vocal in his dissaproval and the fact that Bohn (justifiably) refused to even acknowledge him during that time. Mac walked away from the program but has never quite accepted that in walking away he no longer gets to make the ongoing decisions in the program.

I hope that in the future George and M2 find a way to get Mac reconnected with the program but Mac is also going to have to accept that this is a new era and while he is an important part of the past the future is not in his hands.
 
Just listened to the speech, did he give this at Schembechler's funeral? I don't mind him mentioning Michigan, but shouldn't he be talking about his accomplishments at CU -- hence why he's there.
 
McCartney definitely fits the mold of love/hate when it comes to how I feel about him.
 
cubuffs85 said:
To be fair, who knows how Barnett would've done if he had been retained? In 2007, after it appeared football was headed in the right direction; football players were saying in articles how Barnett's departure was a "necessary evil." But then after Hawk was fired, I saw many of them were saying "Barnett should've never been fired."
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You have to be careful with generalizing. I know several players on the team who really were upset that Barnett was fired and I am sure there were some who were not.
 
I became a fan of the program at the beginning of his era and will always appreciate his time at CU....but his opinion of the current CU situation means nothing to me
 
At least he did not say anything bad about CU. I think he wanted to share the lessons he learned from Bo but do agree it is strange that he made no mention of CU.
 
I heard the speech a few hours ago and thought the same thing Nik did. When I listened the first time I never heard him once mention Colorado and I am pretty sure he didn't. I was disappointed by that. But as Nik said, the intro was pretty cool and pretty much all about his success at Colorado even if he made no mention of it.

When I heard it the first time I didn't necessarily think it was him being bitter with CU, you guys could be right. But we honored him at half time, and he has given the appearance of supporting HCMM and in fact I think was asked about that in the media recently and he said he was over it and he supported Mac2. I was hating on him after he tried to throw CU and Bohn under the bus with the Embree firing. But now I am honestly pretty indifferent about the guy.

If he hadn't gone whacko on us I would revere him but now #notsomuch
 
I'm not terribly offended. If Mac wanted to go out of his way to tarnish CU in some personal way, we know what that looks like and he would have done so in the speech. I think this was more about showing his respect for Bo, whom he probably feels is the single most important person in getting him to the HOF (which he is), than deliberately casting off CU. I believe that if this speech were longer, he would have favorably spoken about his career, coaches and players at CU.
 
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