College Football Relegation

[cmgoods]

SB Nation ran a 15 year simulation on what may have happened it college football used a relegation system. I thought that this may be interesting to some of you considering it's been brought up several times on this board.

 

[sackman]

I hope nobody paid for that.

 

[Big Jim]

I had no frigging clue what regulation was and quite reading as soon as I hit Euro soccer references.

 

[Bison]

Would Boise State & BYU be an upgrade over Oregon State & Washington State?

 

[Buffnik]

I had no frigging clue what regulation was and quite reading as soon as I hit Euro soccer references.

Don't you know it's a big hipster thing these days to pretend you're a big fan of Euro soccer? You're supposed to adopt a team and buy a jersey and stuff.

 

[steph]

Now thats a stupid idea for college football, but does somehow seem to fit well with Euro soccer.

 

[sackman]

Relegation is the wet dream of schools like CSU and Boise St who will never achieve P5 status through traditional methods. It's never even been contemplated here and it's being brought up in a desperate attempt to circumnavigate the process.

 

[DBT]

If we relegated this board, who would move to netbuffs?

 

[TimmyDUBs]

Don't you know it's a big hipster thing these days to pretend you're a big fan of Euro soccer? You're supposed to adopt a team and buy a jersey and stuff.

Stark contrast from the older generation who vehemently opposes soccer as an interesting sport and considers it 100% Unamerican.

Just look at how proud Big Jim is that he doesn't know famous soccer players and the concept of relegation.

 

[goalline]

I've proposed relegation, but it got a similar response as it's getting in this thread. I think it's the best way to give every team an equal chance at a bowl game, but it would require more tiers. (I picked 18 teams / tier for various reasons I won't get into now).

Anyway, I dropped it after seeing that the average college football fan is not interested.

If we relegates this board, who would move to netbuffs?

Tini already did - right?

 

[Alfred91]

The thing that will always kill the idea of relegation is the thought of a conference like the SEC allowing a team of theirs to be sent down in favor of teams like Appalachian State or Western Kentucky.

No ****ing way. I mean, I would imagine that all of the P5 conferences would be that way to an extent, but if you consider some of the movement that this guy is suggesting would have happened in the SEC, there's just no way. Too much money, too many boosters willing to throw a fit, and too much TV interest.

Plus, any Sun Belt team that would be promoted to the SEC - much like a lot of these Tier 2 schools going to Tier 1 conferences - would just get pounded into submission. There would be some teams - like probably Utah, BYU, and Boise in the mid-2000s - that would stick, but most would be going down just as fast as they came up.

 

[The Monk]

Relegation is a bad system and it's part of the reason why European soccer leagues are dominated by a handful of teams each. The worst thing you can do to college athletics is making financial security even less secure.

 

[SerenityBuff]

Relegation is a bad system and it's part of the reason why European soccer leagues are dominated by a handful of teams each. The worst thing you can do to college athletics is making financial security even less secure.

Thankfully college football is not dominated by the same handful of teams every year.

 

[Gramburglar]

Relegation is a bad system and it's part of the reason why European soccer leagues are dominated by a handful of teams each. The worst thing you can do to college athletics is making financial security even less secure.

No, relegation does not influence the any of the disparity in soccer. I don't understand how you had come to that conclusion. Look at the geography of where the big clubs are located 3 in London, 4 in Manchester-Liverpool, 2 in Madrid, 2 in Milan, Munich, Barcelona, all major population centers.

In fact, in the relegation ensures a stronger product throughout the season. Relegation and promotion battles add to the enjoyment of the season. It strongly discourages management from tanking. The players have an incentive to keep playing at their top. In promotions the players get the glory of elevating the club to the next league, personal fame and probably a pay increase. In relegation battles, players first are fighting to keep the club up and not "shame" the club by dropping; second, if relegation is inevitable players will try to impress to scouts of safe clubs to seal a transfer to remain in the top flight (a la Newcastle 2015-2016).

Mind you, these are all professional athletes who earning their living playing sport. The model does not fit college athletics, where athletes are not professional and will be at the university for a limited time.

 

[ahoelsken]

The thing that will always kill the idea of relegation is the thought of a conference like the SEC allowing a team of theirs to be sent down in favor of teams like Appalachian State or Western Kentucky.

No ****ing way. I mean, I would imagine that all of the P5 conferences would be that way to an extent, but if you consider some of the movement that this guy is suggesting would have happened in the SEC, there's just no way. Too much money, too many boosters willing to throw a fit, and too much TV interest.

Plus, any Sun Belt team that would be promoted to the SEC - much like a lot of these Tier 2 schools going to Tier 1 conferences - would just get pounded into submission. There would be some teams - like probably Utah, BYU, and Boise in the mid-2000s - that would stick, but most would be going down just as fast as they came up.

This last paragraph is what kills this entire conversation for me. One, geography is a major drawback with most of the schools who get "moved up" in that article. Two, I don't believe most of these schools would be able to recruit well enough to warrant staying at the power 5 level with very few exceptions-SMU, Houston, San Diego State, and BYU (who I consider to be a Power 5 team given the schedule they now play)

 

[Deleted member 807]

College football is only one sport within an athletic department.

Relegation of the football program has implications on basketball and all the Olympic sports.

It seems reckless to tie the network relationships and financial fortune of basketball or successful women's lacross or track & field program to a football relegation model.

 

[SerenityBuff]

No, relegation does not influence the any of the disparity in soccer. I don't understand how you had come to that conclusion. Look at the geography of where the big clubs are located 3 in London, 4 in Manchester-Liverpool, 2 in Madrid, 2 in Milan, Munich, Barcelona, all major population centers.

In fact, in the relegation ensures a stronger product throughout the season. Relegation and promotion battles add to the enjoyment of the season. It strongly discourages management from tanking. The players have an incentive to keep playing at their top. In promotions the players get the glory of elevating the club to the next league, personal fame and probably a pay increase. In relegation battles, players first are fighting to keep the club up and not "shame" the club by dropping; second, if relegation is inevitable players will try to impress to scouts of safe clubs to seal a transfer to remain in the top flight (a la Newcastle 2015-2016).

Mind you, these are all professional athletes who earning their living playing sport. The model does not fit college athletics, where athletes are not professional and will be at the university for a limited time.

Laughing at you calling Everton a "big club."




YNWA

 

[Gramburglar]

Laughing at you calling Everton a "big club."




YNWA

If they drop/overspend $30mil on Pickford that big club money and risk. 3x more than Mignolet at the time, and now isn't worth more than $15mil skillwise. And the two are pretty level talent wise in my eye.

 

[SerenityBuff]

If they drop/overspend $30mil on Pickford that big club money and risk. 3x more than Mignolet at the time, and now isn't worth more than $15mil skillwise. And the two are pretty level talent wise in my eye.

Everton haven't beaten Liverpool in seven years, haven't won at Anfield in 18 years, and finished ahead of LFC only twice in 25+ years. Not sure how they're "pretty level" in any regard.

 

[Buffnik]

Everton haven't beaten Liverpool in seven years, haven't won at Anfield in 18 years, and finished ahead of LFC only twice in 25+ years. Not sure how they're "pretty level" in any regard.

And this is soccer... we're one strategic flop giving you a man up advantage can lead to a cheap goal and the ability to hold on if your squad is anywhere close to who you're playing. Those kind of streaks tell me it's a night and day difference.

 

[Jens1893]

If they drop/overspend $30mil on Pickford that big club money and risk. 3x more than Mignolet at the time, and now isn't worth more than $15mil skillwise. And the two are pretty level talent wise in my eye.

Mignolet is ****e, Pickford isn't.

 

[Jens1893]

Relegation is a bad system and it's part of the reason why European soccer leagues are dominated by a handful of teams each. The worst thing you can do to college athletics is making financial security even less secure.

It really isn't.

 

[Jens1893]

And this is football... we're one strategic flop giving you a gifted 40+ yards can lead to a cheap touchdown and the ability to hold on if your squad is anywhere close to who you're playing. Those kind of streaks tell me it's a night and day difference.

Congratulations on perfectly summing up the Baltimore Ravens offense!

(A one man advantage is a significantly smaller advantage than you think it is, FWIW).

 

[SerenityBuff]

Mignolet is ****e, Pickford isn't.

No arguments there.

 

[Buffnik]

Congratulations on perfectly summing up the Baltimore Ravens offense!

(A one man advantage is a significantly smaller advantage than you think it is, FWIW).

Yep. Hard salary cap means relatively equal teams, so the Ravens would win that way. Doesn't seem like there is anywhere near that talent equality in the soccer leagues.