College teams with most talent for 2014 NFL Draft

[Buffnik]

SJSU is #25.

Sure, it's Bleacher Report.

But I'm happy to see anything that reinforces that HCMM and his staff are good at identifying and developing talent.

This should make us all feel a bit more at ease when we see these coaches offer someone who doesn't have a lot of stars or big offers. Especially true when you pair this with it looking like the recruits from this staff who joined the team for spring practices could all ball.

Is that a glimmer of hope forcing it through the hard shell of skepticism I tried to build? You bet your ass it is.

[video=youtube;mDTph7mer3I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDTph7mer3I[/video]

 

[Idot Buff]

Whatever HCMM and staff brings in terms of upgrades to the program, we can flush it all down the toilet because destuffadoosh is still running the asylum. We are ****ed.

 

[tante]

I wonder where they would be ranked without Fales. The guy may end up being a top 10 pick.

 

[Joe Theismann's Leg]

Even Fales is a huge feather in HCMM's cap though. I mean... NO one was recruiting Fales out of Junior College. No one. IIRC SJSU was his only offer and now he's going to be an NFL QB. The new coach Mac pulled him off the garbage heap and now he's a college football star.

 

[Buffnik]

I wonder where they would be ranked without Fales. The guy may end up being a top 10 pick.

I know they've got a DL and a LB that are both really good.

 

[Dark Bohner]

I'm still too burned by our love of all things Boise when Hawkins came here. I know that MM and staff all came, but that whole past results does not guarantee future performance thing. Broken record, I know. Is it football season yet?

 

[Quattro]

I'm still too burned by our love of all things Boise when Hawkins came here. I know that MM and staff all came, but that whole past results does not guarantee future performance thing. Broken record, I know. Is it football season yet?

And that whole just because it happened once doesn't mean it's an absolute thing

 

[Dark Bohner]

And that whole just because it happened once doesn't mean it's an absolute thing

No doubt. I desperately hope that they can recreate the magic here.

 

[jwhite17]

Very hard to recreate the magic from one place to another. We know the story all too well with Hawkins.

I hope his formula does work here because it should be much easier to recruit and develop talent in a BCS conference school than SJSU. CU needs a real coach in the worse way. I don't remember the last time a CU team outcoached the other team, regardless of D1 or D1AA.

 

[sackman]

I've had the chance to talk to both Hawkins and MM. MM is not Hawkins part deux. Hawkins was the quintessential bullshitter. I really don't get that vibe from MM.

 

[Quattro]

Very hard to recreate the magic from one place to another. We know the story all too well with Hawkins.

I hope his formula does work here because it should be much easier to recruit and develop talent in a BCS conference school than SJSU. CU needs a real coach in the worse way. I don't remember the last time a CU team outcoached the other team, regardless of D1 or D1AA.

By that logic that would mean that hiring coaches from non-AQ schools would not work out most of the time, which I believe to be completely flawed logic, and so do AD's as shown by Cal (Sonny Dykes), Auburn (Gus Malzhan), NC State (Dave Dorean), Purdue (Darrel Hazel), Wisconsin (Gary Anderson), Ole Miss (Hugh Freeze), Miami (Al Golden), Michigan (Brady Hoke), Minnesota (Jerry Kill), etc.

 

[Buffnik]

Hawkins was the anomaly.

Our fan base is so scarred by it that we seem to have a number of folks who now think that it's the rule.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Hawkins was the anomaly.

Our fan base is so scarred by it that we seem to have a number of folks who now think that it's the rule.

[video=youtube_share;3kaShGPva2Q]http://youtu.be/3kaShGPva2Q[/video]

 

[Duff Man]

Hawkins was the anomaly.Our fan base is so scarred by it that we seem to have a number of folks who now think that it's the rule.

Just as there is a decent portion of the fanbase who thinks HCMM can just make a carbon copy of his SJSU program at CU and we will get the same results.:wink2:

 

[Buffnik]

Just as there is a decent portion of the fanbase who thinks HCMM can just make a carbon copy of his SJSU program at CU and we will get the same results.:wink2:

Other than recruiting at a higher level and dealing with more pressure/scrutiny from the fans and media, is there really a difference?

 

[Deleted member 807]

Other than recruiting at a higher level and dealing with more pressure/scrutiny from the fans and media, is there really a difference?

Nope. Exactly the same situation.

Administration support & stability
Recruiting environment
Academic expectations
Program legacy & fan expectation
Conference schedule

Carbon copy.

 

[Buffnik]

Nope. Exactly the same situation.

Administration support & stability
Recruiting environment
Academic expectations
Program legacy & fan expectation
Conference schedule

Carbon copy.

Functionally, how is that different? It's a bigger tent and you need better players. As I said. Otherwise, it's running a program and coaching football. That's all it comes down to as long as someone can handle the heat and egos of the bigger stage.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Well, even if he is Hawk part 2, at least we got his version of Chris Peterson.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Functionally, how is that different? It's a bigger tent and you need better players. As I said. Otherwise, it's running a program and coaching football. That's all it comes down to as long as someone can handle the heat and egos of the bigger stage.

http://blogs.sjsu.edu/today/2012/sjsu-president-names-new-athletics-director/

 

[SINKRATZ]

Functionally, how is that different? It's a bigger tent and you need better players. As I said. Otherwise, it's running a program and coaching football. That's all it comes down to as long as someone can handle the heat and egos of the bigger stage.

Functionally, you're competition is a hell if a lot better making your job harder. I might kick my buddy's ass at basketball down at the gym, but if I tried to run with the Nuggets they'd laugh me out of the gym. It's still basketball, the game didn't change - you're still just trying to put the ball in the basket.

 

[buffaholic]

Just as there is a decent portion of the fanbase who thinks HCMM can just make a carbon copy of his SJSU program at CU and we will get the same results.:wink2:

No, I'd rather he throw all that out and go about it totally differently.

Nothing predicts future success like past success. This isn't like taking the Moeller High School staff to Notre Dame. SJSU plays with the same rules, same numbers of scholarships, relies on recruiting (unlike say NFL coaches), and (importantly) recruits the same areas Colorado recruits.

The difference? The PAC12 is a better conference and likewise, he's getting better players than he got at SJSU. I sort of imagine he was being lambasted on the SJSU board for not recruiting at the WAC level!

 

[MtnBuff]

M2 may be a total flop, a lousy administration can do that to even the best coach and in truth we know little about M2 to make a judgement.

Huge difference though between Hawk and M2. Hawk took over a program that was already built and winning. He had a coaching staff in place and roles were clearly defined, a recruiting pipeline was in place and functioning. They had a player development structure in place, a QB pipeline functioning, etc. Most importantly they had an identity already in place. Players and coaches knew who they were, how they did things, and the expectation levels. Hawk had to do none of this when he took over just basically keeping the ship on a steady course.

M2 on the other hand had none of this to work with. He had a program with an identity as a loser, that had no appeal to recruits, no expectations. He and his staff managed to change much of that and win in spite of what they inherited.

Can they do it at the PAC level, with Dr. Phil as the head clown, and the other issues he will face, I don't know but I think he is a better choice that Hawk was in hindsight.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Interesting read.

http://baylors3.com/

Yes, this is a Baylor link. (I know. **** Baylor!)

One of the content managers is a Baylor student by the name of Jennifer MacIntyre, a junior focusing on sports marketing.

If the last name sounds familiar, that's because she is HCMM's daughter.

I admit to being pre-disposed to making fun based upon its Waco origins. But after reading the content, I have come around.

The search committee looking for CU's next ad could do worse than spending a moment reviewing this link, specifically the section on Stephen Covey's analysis of building trust as a path to success

1. Talk straight. Let people know where you stand. Use simple language.
2. Demonstrate respect. Genuinely care and show it.
3. Create transparency. Tell the truth in a way that can be verified. Err on the side of disclosure.
4. Right Wrongs. Apologize quickly. Make restitution where possible.
5. Show loyalty. Give credit freely. Speak about people as if they were present.
6. Deliver results. Don’t overpromise and underdeliver. Don’t make excuses.
7. Get better. Thank feedback and act on it.
8. Confront reality. Take issues head on, even the “undiscussibles.”
9. Clarify expectations. Disclose, reveal, discuss, validate, renegotiate if needed, don’t violate, expectations.
10. Practice accountability. Take responsibility for results. Be clear on how you’ll communicate.
11. Listen first. Don’t assume you know what matters most to others.
12. Keep commitments. Make commitments carefully. Don’t break confidences.
13. Extend trust. Extend trust abundantly to those who have earned it. Extend trust conditionally to those who are earning it.

How many of these characteristics does our Chancellor display where he rates as "excellent' and which does he score "below average"?

There must be some interesting daddy-daughter discussions going on this summer.

What strikes me is how much sports management is a business that runs on trends and management techniques. The philosophies called out on this website are strange and foreign to behaviors displayed at CU.

 

[WizzersGhost]

Even Fales is a huge feather in HCMM's cap though. I mean... NO one was recruiting Fales out of Junior College. No one. IIRC SJSU was his only offer and now he's going to be an NFL QB. The new coach Mac pulled him off the garbage heap and now he's a college football star.

But, but, but..... the QB coach who did this doesn't like to coach his guys or refuses to develop his QB prospects! He's just too busy, you know!

 

[BlackNGold]

Other than recruiting at a higher level and dealing with more pressure/scrutiny from the fans and media, is there really a difference?

No two situations are the same. There are plenty of examples of successful coaches at one location bombing out at another - even BCS school to BCS school ( Rich Rod at Michigan) and there are also examples of guys who can replicate their success - Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, to name a few. You really do not know.

 

[Quattro]

No two situations are the same. There are plenty of examples of successful coaches at one location bombing out at another - even BCS school to BCS school ( Rich Rod at Michigan) and there are also examples of guys who can replicate their success - Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, to name a few. You really do not know.

Without any stats to back it up I would guess that coaches who are successful at one destination (whether it be non-AQ to BCS or BCS to BCS, etc.) are much more likely to be successful at their next stop.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Without any stats to back it up I would guess that coaches who are successful at one destination (whether it be non-AQ to BCS or BCS to BCS, etc.) are much more likely to be successful at their next stop.

When the situation specific sample includes Chuck Fairbanks (Oklahoma), Gary Barnett (Northwestern) and Dan Hawkins (Boise), it's no wonder some folks are a wee bit jaded.

 

[Quattro]

When the situation specific sample includes Chuck Fairbanks (Oklahoma), Gary Barnett (Northwestern) and Dan Hawkins (Boise), it's no wonder some folks are a wee bit jaded.

So three coaches over the span of 34 years? Uh huh. I could list at least 10x that number for the amount of coaches that have gone from one destination to another and have been successful at their second and on stops.

 

[Deleted member 807]

So three coaches over the span of 34 years? Uh huh. I could list at least 10x that number for the amount of coaches that have gone from one destination to another and have been successful at their second and on stops.

It's all how you frame it. I mentioned 3 of the last six CU coaches, yet excluded McCartney, Neuheisel and Embree. MNC Mac was great, but had some other promises to keep.

Even the best coach isn't immune. CU is cursed, I tell you.

Basically, for whatever reason, Boulder is the place where 6 of the last 7 HCs have terminated their college careers.
Skippy is the only guy since the Carter administration who moved on before flaming out at UW and UCLA. I'm not comfortable holding up Slick Rick as an example.

Sure you can make an argument that the CU experience is not representative of college football in general. But by doing so, you'd imply that CU is not uniquely special.

 

[Buffnik]

If I believed that CU is uniquely cursed, I wouldn't bother with this.

So that argument is going to fall on deaf ears.

CU has some significant advantages and also some challenges (mostly of its own making).

I firmly believe, with real world proof to back it up, that when CU has a good coaching staff and its facilities are on par with the competitive mean, that CU delivers a Top 25 football program with recruiting in the Top 25.

When we have one or the other (coaching or university support), CU is a middling program as we saw at the end of the Barnett era.

When we have great coaching along with a president that emphasizes football and invests in football facilities, CU is a Top 10 program.

When we have lousy coaching along with a president who doesn't care about sports and allows football facilities to deteriorate, CU is a Bottom 10 program.

I don't think this is all that complicated.