https://collegian.com/2018/02/csus-...nsive-than-forecasts-income-projections-show/
Good for them!
Wonder if it's too late to move the game out of Denver for this year or next year.
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CSU doesn't need the RMS anymore...
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https://collegian.com/2018/02/csus-...nsive-than-forecasts-income-projections-show/
Good for them!
Wonder if it's too late to move the game out of Denver for this year or next year.
Great. I don't want to see financial trouble in their AD result in compromising academic funding, raising my taxes or causing the CO state house to pressure CU into playing them in order to boost their attendance. Look forward to CSU being able to stand alone and separate with CU not playing them in football.
Also wouldn't hurt if we went out and laid a few 20+ point losses on them. Take away their appetite to play us.
I don't care what they want or what their fans may say if the series isn't renewed. That's irrelevant to me.
I agree with you but the series was renewed due to political pressure and some of that still exist. Much easier to end it if their fans don't want to see them getting pounded on every year.
I'll grant that all of this goes away as quietly as a fart in a hurricane when CU cancels after the Buffs have won the final 6 games in the current contract.
Well, there is zero benefit to the game for CU imho. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't give a frog's fat green ass if we play them or not.
If we blow out CSU like 2016 one or two more times, I think CSU will just not want to schedule us. It's doable.
It's good for them, but a few thoughts:
- They list that the average attendance was 32,064 (I get 32,016 by averaging reported attendance, but whatever). That was buoyed by two games: Oregon State and Nevada. The first was the stadium opener (which did not have a reported attendance close to capacity; it was close to 90%). Nevada was the first conference game. Take those two out and it's under 30K. The trend is also not good:
- Further to that point- the schedule is on balance a little less attractive than last year and worse the year after that. Next year, they replace Oregon State with Arkansas (that will probably sell out), Abilene Christian with Illinois State (wash), and the conference schedule replaces BSU, AFA, Nevada, and SJSU with Wyoming, NM, Utah State, and Hawaii. One would think that Air Force and Boise State are the major conference draws for CSU along with Wyoming, and my guess is that the Wyoming game is a wash with BSU, NM will be slightly under AFA, Utah State is probably a little above SJSU and Hawaii will be about the same. If the Arky game sells out it's probably just about the same. However, the year after that Arkansas is replaced by Toledo and Illinois State with Western Illinois. That could get rough for them.
- I also thought it was interesting that revenues were 36% higher than expected, but expenses were 69% higher than expected. It will be interesting to see if that continues to be the case going forward.
Don't have the numbers but they were posted by others on this board before their new stadium opened.
Other G5 schools that built new stadiums saw IIRC a first year jump of 20-25% followed by a gradual decline over the following few years eventually ending within 10% of their attendance figures prior to moving.
CSU had the combination of the new stadium and a team that was solidly in bowl contention and a potential conference champion drawing in fans. What happens as the novelty of the stadium wears off and they return to having a couple of off years?
There is a financial benefit. But no one cares about it.
How much does CU get out of it financially?
RG has been smart about starting to transition this by making it a flex game within the season ticket package the last couple years.
I would say that much of the financial benefit goes away anyhow if it isn't a neutral site game that provides a payout similar to if we had a 7th home game on the schedule. And it's been made very clear that if there are future matchups with CSU it will be on a home-and-home setup.
OK bye.
Replacing Abilene Christian with Illinois St may be a wash financially, but it shouldn't be. Illinois St was 30 seconds away from the FCS Championship before a 50 yard Carson Wentz pass beat them 3 years ago. The same season the Iowa team that went to the Rose Bowl beat them by a TD in Iowa City. They beat Northwestern on the road in the '16/'17 season. It's a dangerous game for the sheep. Current Broncos nose tackle Shelby Harris is an ISU alum.
I was talking about the $4-500k savings from not having to charter a plane for a home and away/neutral arrangement. If we pay a team to play here that cost is factored into what we pay them. If we play CSU, AFA, or UNC (bus ride) we can negotiate that out of the what we pay them to play at Folsom. And vice versa (were not gonna play at UNC). Players potentially miss less class too.
There are more revenues generated by playing CSU in Denver than we would get playing some other G5 team in Folsom but they also get a much higher amount of the revenue.
I'd much rather we bring in a MAC team or a Sun Belt team, pay them and make our money off a Folsom crowd.
But what other game would 98% of CSU grads come out of the woodwork for, only to disappear an hour after the final whistle? Who would remind us of BVP? It would be such a waste if all those "ram fans" in the metro area didn't have the one day a year to wear their CSU polo shirts or ties.
ahoelsken
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Who cares?
ahoelsken
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Just playing them home and home would do wonders for our scheduling flexibility.....
No, you don't do a home and home with a MWC school with a stadium significantly smaller than yours.
I want the series to die but if it doesn't it needs to go back to campus and we need at a minimum 2 for 1 home scheduling.
ahoelsken
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Its not that uncommon. CSU has gotten Texas Tech, Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and Arizona to commit to home and homes with them. Boise (who now plays in a smaller stadium than CSU does) has home and homes lined up with Oklahoma State, Florida State (FSU's home game is in Jacksonville), and Michigan State. All of that will take place between now and 2027. Missouri is doing a home and home with Wyoming in 19-20 IIRC, and Ole Miss has also done one previously (Wyoming's stadium holds 29 and change).
Nevertheless, your point is valid. I'd almost rather turn them into another Wyoming for us-We schedule them every once in a while and we don't EVER play in Laramie (last game we played there was in 1946 IIRC)