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CU is a gold mine

DBT

DBT

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But mining gold is tough work. My "inspiration" for this thread is our basketball program. Who would ever have thought that good old CU would become relevant in basketball? Well, we are on the brink of being more than relevant. How are we getting there? Vision. We, Bohn and, dare I say, Bzdelic, acted on a vision. We built the facilities, hired a great coach who sold himself to a great player and had a great run. This led to a great recruiting class. All it took was a vision and for young men to buy in.

Our emergence in basketball is the model our football program must follow. I believe Embree has what it takes. Bohn must step up with an upgrade to our facilities. Colorado can and should become a powerhouse. We are a gold mine yet to be discovered.
 
DBT said:
But mining gold is tough work. My "inspiration" for this thread is our basketball program. Who would ever have thought that good old CU would become relevant in basketball? Well, we are on the brink of being more than relevant. How are we getting there? Vision. We, Bohn and, dare I say, Bzdelic, acted on a vision. We built the facilities, hired a great coach who sold himself to a great player and had a great run. This led to a great recruiting class. All it took was a vision and for young men to buy in.

Our emergence in basketball is the model our football program must follow. I believe Embree has what it takes. Bohn must step up with an upgrade to our facilities. Colorado can and should become a powerhouse. We are a gold mine yet to be discovered.
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Agree completely, and football already has tradition and public interest to build on.

The old saying that you have to spend money to make money is true, with well placed resources put into football the program could and should make a step to the next level, on the field and in terms of revenues.
 
Boulder Buff said:
You give Bohn too much credit.
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Exactly. Bohn's not a visionary. He's a reactionary. He acted decisively to get the practice facility in order to make sure he was able to break ground in time to save face on Bzdelik's contract stipulations.

My hope is that Embree is successful enough to demand certain things with facilities, academic support and assistant salaries when he's up for an extension.
 
DBT said:
But mining gold is tough work. My "inspiration" for this thread is our basketball program. Who would ever have thought that good old CU would become relevant in basketball? Well, we are on the brink of being more than relevant. How are we getting there? Vision. We, Bohn and, dare I say, Bzdelic, acted on a vision. We built the facilities, hired a great coach who sold himself to a great player and had a great run. This led to a great recruiting class. All it took was a vision and for young men to buy in.

Our emergence in basketball is the model our football program must follow. I believe Embree has what it takes. Bohn must step up with an upgrade to our facilities. Colorado can and should become a powerhouse. We are a gold mine yet to be discovered.
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Colorado football has a long history of some good, top 20 teams. Dal Ward, Sonny Grandelius, Eddie Crowder, Bill Mallory, Bill McCartney and Gary Barnett had top 20 and better teams. It's been a gold mine that has unfortunately been closed down a couple of times by a couple of coaches. Some people can't help themselves crabbing about Jon Embree this year. I think they fail to fully understand what had been done before him. No one can be 100% certain he will bring it back, but I am encouraged and think he can. The university has to be much more supportive than they have been in the recent past.
 
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Our real hope is not in Bohn. He is good at what he does but he works for others.

Benson has already been president longer than most university presidents last, he also is older, has more money than he could ever spend, and has a bunch of other business interest that he could be spending his time on.

DiStephano moved into the Chancellors job in a time when there was a bunch of turmoil and also has had the job for a while. There has been speculation/reports that he is closing in on retirement

The future of the program relies on getting a couple of upper administrators who understand the importance of athletics in getting to name of the university in front of the public and in generating overall interest in supporting the school.
 
DBT said:
But mining gold is tough work. My "inspiration" for this thread is our basketball program. Who would ever have thought that good old CU would become relevant in basketball? Well, we are on the brink of being more than relevant. How are we getting there? Vision. We, Bohn and, dare I say, Bzdelic, acted on a vision. We built the facilities, hired a great coach who sold himself to a great player and had a great run. This led to a great recruiting class. All it took was a vision and for young men to buy in.

Our emergence in basketball is the model our football program must follow. I believe Embree has what it takes. Bohn must step up with an upgrade to our facilities. Colorado can and should become a powerhouse. We are a gold mine yet to be discovered.
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DBT = Gary Barnett? You have said this before....
 
CU started out as a silver mine. A streak of gold was found in the 90's. But stringent mining rules passed down by regulatory bodies had a negative impact on production. The gold production came with detrimental impacts to the local environment, some real and some perceived.

With production constrained by political forces in Boulder, gold discoveries and ensuing gold rushes started to regularly occur primarily further to the south and the east. Some of the moneyed investors also struck gold in Oregon and in the still waters north of Oklahoma City. The vein in Colorado lay fallow and was ignored or became irrelevant under poor mine management.

There may still be some gold in Boulder, but in order to access it, the claim holders would need significant capital investment to compete with mines in other locations that are caught up with gold fever. Colorado would need a fundamental shift in the political arena that elevates gold production in Boulder on more equal footing with the professional horse and donkey industry that dominates the region.
 
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DBT said:
But mining gold is tough work. My "inspiration" for this thread is our basketball program. Who would ever have thought that good old CU would become relevant in basketball? Well, we are on the brink of being more than relevant. How are we getting there? Vision. We, Bohn and, dare I say, Bzdelic, acted on a vision. We built the facilities, hired a great coach who sold himself to a great player and had a great run. This led to a great recruiting class. All it took was a vision and for young men to buy in.

Our emergence in basketball is the model our football program must follow. I believe Embree has what it takes. Bohn must step up with an upgrade to our facilities. Colorado can and should become a powerhouse. We are a gold mine yet to be discovered.
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I hate to throw cold water on your rant but how about if Basketball makes it to the NCAA tourney before we make it some model of success. Two NBA players on last years team ---not much to show for it.
 
BlackNGold said:
I hate to throw cold water on your rant but how about if Basketball makes it to the NCAA tourney before we make it some model of success. Two NBA players on last years team ---not much to show for it.
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I completely agree with your larger point, but last year's squad was a tourney team that got screwed by politics.
 
BlackNGold said:
I hate to throw cold water on your rant but how about if Basketball makes it to the NCAA tourney before we make it some model of success. Two NBA players on last years team ---not much to show for it.
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I'm a visionary. You are not.
 
Buffnik said:
Exactly. Bohn's not a visionary. He's a reactionary. He acted decisively to get the practice facility in order to make sure he was able to break ground in time to save face on Bzdelik's contract stipulations.

My hope is that Embree is successful enough to demand certain things with facilities, academic support and assistant salaries when he's up for an extension.
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All we need are those"silent donors" to step up...:lol:
 
MtnBuff said:
Our real hope is not in Bohn. He is good at what he does but he works for others.

Benson has already been president longer than most university presidents last, he also is older, has more money than he could ever spend, and has a bunch of other business interest that he could be spending his time on.

DiStephano moved into the Chancellors job in a time when there was a bunch of turmoil and also has had the job for a while. There has been speculation/reports that he is closing in on retirement

The future of the program relies on getting a couple of upper administrators who understand the importance of athletics in getting to name of the university in front of the public and in generating overall interest in supporting the school.
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I agree with what you say here - but good luck. The culture of the entire school will need to change to support athletics, and I don't see that happening.
 
i think the first part of being successful. is getting the best recruits in. follow up is obviously what actually matters in the long run but if you don't get the personnel you have no chance at all.

your posts pumps me up, dbt!! i think we are on the path to being allsome at the two most fun college sports!
 
Skidmark said:
CU started out as a silver mine. A streak of gold was found in the 90's. But stringent mining rules passed down by regulatory bodies had a negative impact on production. The gold production came with detrimental impacts to the local environment, some real and some perceived.

With production constrained by political forces in Boulder, gold discoveries and ensuing gold rushes started to regularly occur primarily further to the south and the east. Some of the moneyed investors also struck gold in Oregon and in the still waters north of Oklahoma City. The vein in Colorado lay fallow and was ignored or became irrelevant under poor mine management.

There may still be some gold in Boulder, but in order to access it, the claim holders would need significant capital investment to compete with mines in other locations that are caught up with gold fever. Colorado would need a fundamental shift in the political arena that elevates gold production in Boulder on more equal footing with the professional horse and donkey industry that dominates the region.
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The Broncos have always been a major detriment to the CU football program. Colorado Buff football never has and never will be able to compete with the Broncos.
 
77buff said:
The Broncos have always been a major detriment to the CU football program. Colorado Buff football never has and never will be able to compete with the Broncos.
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I used to think that. Now I'm not so sure. The NFL has done a lot to price its way out of the budget for middle class families. The Buffs are affordable. We need to win consistently and we can close some of the gap. Another huge thing on this is the CU hoops programs. The Nuggets don't dominate the Denver media market like the Broncos do. If we can own basketball on the front range, then some of that will carry over to football. If you're a Buff fan, you're a Buff fan. Doesn't matter what sport it is, you want to see them do well.
 
77buff said:
The Broncos have always been a major detriment to the CU football program. Colorado Buff football never has and never will be able to compete with the Broncos.
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When the Buffs must compete not only with the teams of the Pac 12, but also with the pros for eyeballs and dollars, it does create a pretty big headwind.

I suppose its no coincidence that many of the participants in the BCS national championship game over the years don't share a metro area with an NFL franchise. (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Texas, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Florida State). The only exception during the BCS era is Miami.

So while I tend to agree with you that the Buffs have always played second fiddle to the Broncos, and perhaps always will, I draw the line at being a defeatist. College football has surpassed MLB as the second most popular sport in America. There is room in the market place for both College and the NFL. The BCS and its current structure won't last forever. There must be some way CU can find its way back to the national championship game.

There is something special about game day on campus, with all of the tradition and pageantry that keeps me from believing the NFL product is a better value for my entertainment dollar than Colorado's game day on campus.

With the right strategic moves, maybe CU can narrow the gap with the Broncos. At the least, it's important not to lose more ground.
 
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I like Tad and think he's doing a good job. But I think I'd stop short in saying CU basketball is relevant on the national scene. Let's make a few tourney's first before we say we are "relevant'
 
Skidmark said:
When the Buffs must compete not only with the teams of the Pac 12, but also with the pros for eyeballs and dollars, it does create a pretty big headwind.

I suppose its no coincidence that many of the participants in the BCS national championship game over the years don't share a metro area with an NFL franchise. (Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida, Texas, USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Tennessee, Nebraska, Virginia Tech, Florida State). The only exception during the BCS era is Miami.

So while I tend to agree with you that the Buffs have always played second fiddle to the Broncos, and perhaps always will, I draw the line at being a defeatist. College football has surpassed MLB as the second most popular sport in America. There is room in the market place for both College and the NFL. The BCS and its current structure won't last forever. There must be some way CU can find its way back to the national championship game.

There is something special about game day on campus, with all of the tradition and pageantry that keeps me from believing the NFL product is a better value for my entertainment dollar than Colorado's game day on campus.

With the right strategic moves, maybe CU can narrow the gap with the Broncos. At the least, it's important not to lose more ground.
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Baton Rouge is less than an hour's drive from New Orleans. The Saints for some reason have never cut into LSU, even in their good years. For some strange reason, alot of Bronco fans don't give a rat's ass about CU. I agree with you 100%, and I like the college game much more.
 
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@skid...

I don't think proximity to existing NFL franchises has much to do with winning in college. Yes, most of the BCS contenders don't share a metro area with an NFL team, but it's a limited pool to begin with. Off the top of my head, only Maryland, BC, Miami, Ga Tech, Minn, Northwestern, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Washington and CU are in the pool. Everyone else is not, so it's more a law of percentages (11 of about 60 BCS teams). No doubt, though, that the Denver media loves the donks.
 
Creebuzz said:
@skid...

I don't think proximity to existing NFL franchises has much to do with winning in college. Yes, most of the BCS contenders don't share a metro area with an NFL team, but it's a limited pool to begin with. Off the top of my head, only Maryland, BC, Miami, Ga Tech, Minn, Northwestern, Arizona State, Cal, Stanford, Washington and CU are in the pool. Everyone else is not, so it's more a law of percentages (11 of about 60 BCS teams). No doubt, though, that the Denver media loves the donks.
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Our situation is very similar to Wisconsin's. In fact, I don't know that the Broncos are as popular in Colorado as the Packers are in Wisconsin.
 
Buffnik said:
Our situation is very similar to Wisconsin's. In fact, I don't know that the Broncos are as popular in Colorado as the Packers are in Wisconsin.
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But Wisconsin has nothing but football. Brewers and Bucks a little but no mountains, etc. Also bigger factor is that virtually everyone there is from there, born and raised to be fans of the Packers and the Badgers. Colorado is full of people from other places
 
MtnBuff said:
But Wisconsin has nothing but football. Brewers and Bucks a little but no mountains, etc. Also bigger factor is that virtually everyone there is from there, born and raised to be fans of the Packers and the Badgers. Colorado is full of people from other places
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Definitely more transplants here and more stuff to do. Bucks and Brewers are about the same in popularity as the Nugs and Rox, though. They also don't have 2 other D1 football programs in-state. It's probably a bit harder in Colorado, but not that much. Wisconsin's AD is a great model for CU.
 
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