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CU is a mediocre or worse PAC 12 basketball team

rialto

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We desperately need another ball handler and scorer at guard. Boyle can't win without talent either - outside Dinwiddie and Booker, his guard recruiting has sucked. Our missing on Tyrone Wallace (4*, Cal), Damyean Dotson (3*, Oregon and star NOW), and Buddy Hield (4*, Oklahoma) just killed this year's team. Instead of one or more of this group, we have signed Xavier Talton and Stalzer, and the year before Jeremy Adams, none of whom can play.

To compound our problems, CU's self-imposed academic issues rose their ugly head again with the decision to redshirt Gordon, who would have been a great post defender and rebounder this year.

IMO, this season is lost - we're simply not very good.
 
Obviously he missed on Dotson, Hield and Wallace, although I don't think there was probably anything done wrong by CU in how they handled their recruitments. It's too early to say freshmen can't play imo. Just that neither were probably completely ready to be solid contributors.
 
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This sure gets tedious after a while. Whine, Whine, Whine
 
Were not as good as we thought we were after the 6-0 start. we lack depth and are young, and have trouble with teams who play pressure man to man defense. Offense stagnates in half court. Still think we can get 7-8 more wins, unless the wheels totally fall off.
 
Buffs played well together early, but that loss to wyo and the following embarrassment at KU shot the young guys confidence I believe. Combine that with the heartbreak of the Zona game and you have some freshman who are out there second guessing themselves. Also with ski shooting like crap, we have two experienced scorers and that is it in Dre and The Mayor. XJ is showing promise at the starting position but he makes stupid fouls. Scott is showing a ton of talent but is inconsistent like a freshman will be. Eli is showing us what Tad saw in him. I believe he gave us some good minutes last night, I just wish he would shoot the ball more. Adams and Talton still confuse me. I wish we had another bye week sometime during conference play, we need coach to get in there and get them back on track.
 
rialto said:
We desperately need another ball handler and scorer at guard. Boyle can't win without talent either - outside Dinwiddie and Booker, his guard recruiting has sucked. Our missing on Tyrone Wallace (4*, Cal), Damyean Dotson (3*, Oregon and star NOW), and Buddy Hield (4*, Oklahoma) just killed this year's team. Instead of one or more of this group, we have signed Xavier Talton and Stalzer, and the year before Jeremy Adams, none of whom can play.

To compound our problems, CU's self-imposed academic issues rose their ugly head again with the decision to redshirt Gordon, who would have been a great post defender and rebounder this year.

IMO, this season is lost - we're simply not very good.
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Not only have the wheels on the bandwagon fallen off but none of ^^^THIS^^^ is right.

Guard play is not the issue, we have one of the better back-courts in the conference and even the blog @NBAProspectBlog was talking about our solid guard play last night.

And if you would have read any of the 15 threads on Gordon he isn't ready offensively and isn't a good post defender at all, his defense and rebounding come from the help side. His contributions in his 5th year are going to be far better than this year.
 
jgisland said:
Not only have the wheels on the bandwagon fallen off but none of ^^^THIS^^^ is right.

Guard play is not the issue, we have one of the better back-courts in the conference and even the blog @NBAProspectBlog was talking about our solid guard play last night.

And if you would have read any of the 15 threads on Gordon he isn't ready offensively and isn't a good post defender at all, his defense and rebounding come from the help side. His contributions in his 5th year are going to be far better than this year.
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Amen
 
Rialto you can take the histrionics elsewhere there are plenty of bandwagon CU basketball boards - we've moderated this one more aggressively than some others and its been around a lot longer so we expect more from our posters, that "more" includes using crazy things like real numbers, facts and attempting not to insult players.

For what its worth guard wise Boyle has recruited reasonably well:


Brown - was a huge get and his transfer is the reason we wont he pac-12 tourney last year
Dinwiddie - was a talent Boyle went all on in when none of the Cali schools did not.
Booker - has been effective and a gamer winner for us at times, and as noted by JG above was and is part of a decent guard rotation for us.
Jaron Hopkins - was a huge get right out of Zona's back yard when he was hold a UofA offer
Adams - although he has not worked out for us was: #2 player out of Mississippi, a top 30 rated guard in the country, and Highly respected enough to garner multiple Big 12 and SEC scholly offers.


I'll give you taking both Talton and Stalzer is a bit of a head scratcher, and if it were me I'd have taken Eli of the two - who by the way can actually play a lick if you look at when he's contributing as a freshman. The tools are there for him to be a long term contributor for CU.
 
and if the buffs go on to win 5 of their next 6 then what? We are honestly not that far away from that happening. They need to get back to their fundamentals though. Also need to start playing Tad's style of D that we have become accustomed to.
 
Our guard play is awful once we go the bench. We don't have a third guard who is a ball handler and scorer. Unless both Dinwiddie and Booker have good nights, which is not usually often the case, we struggle on a normal evening. Compare us to Oregon, who has four excellent guards, Dominic Artis (Fr), Damyean Dotson (Fr), EJ Singler, Jonathan Lloyd, compared to our measly two.

I stick to my comment - we have no depth at guard due to poor recruiting at this position in the last cycle.
 
I don't understand the lack of concentration and flat our lazy passes and carelessness with the ball. I though Boyle cleaned that up, but time and time again we see terrible inbounds play, flat out sloppy passes and a general lack of interest. Not sure what is wrong with Robertson but his head is just not in the game whatsoever. If Boyle is the coach we all think he is he needs to clean up the small things and they will be ok. Those bad turnovers in the first half kept us from being tied or down 2. Instead it was 8 and the way UDub was playing defense that was far to much to overcome.

Then when we were down 7 and 8 late why were they not taking any 3's? I understand they only hit one all night but when there is under 2 mins left wild drives by Dinwiddie are not going to get it done. I was in attendance last night and we should have been down 20, the final score was no indication of that game, we were at an arms length all night and there really was no comeback coming.

That said they played hard till the final whistle and I admire that. Alaska Airlines Arena is a very hard place to win despite Washington's early bad OOC losses. We can win saturday in Pullman and get this thing turned around. MUST CLEAN UP THE SMALL STUFF! My 2 cents.
 
rialto said:
Our guard play is awful once we go the bench. We don't have a third guard who is a ball handler and scorer. Unless both Dinwiddie and Booker have good nights, which is not usually often the case, we struggle on a normal evening. Compare us to Oregon, who has four excellent guards, Dominic Artis (Fr), Damyean Dotson (Fr), EJ Singler, Jonathan Lloyd, compared to our measly two.

I stick to my comment - we have no depth at guard due to poor recruiting at this position in the last cycle.
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Oregon is also starting 3 seniors to go with their two freshman. The next 3 guys off the bench are a senior and two juniors. If we start our lone senior, the next 3 guys off the bench are probably all freshman (X, Stalzer, and Talton), or maybe Adams. Our team is young and not deep and I would bet that if either Dotson or Artis came here, they would probably struggle.

Let's just admit that this is a transition year and next year should look better when our starting 5 in PAC:12 play will probably be:

Dinwiddie - Junior
Jenkins - RS Freshman
Dre - Senior
Scott - Sophmore
XJ - Sophmore

off the bench will be:

Booker - junior
Fletcher - freshman
Gordon - RS Freshman
Hopkins - Freshman

That second unit will be very talented and we might actually get some bench production next year.
 
We're not "worse than mediocre". We're a team that has played Arizona and Washington (on the road) + UCLA, and only 2 of 5 at home (soon to be 2 of 6). Should we be 1-4? Absolutely not. However, come back and make this assessment in March. Now frankly isn't the time. It's an incomplete body of work.
 
It's possible that the close losses are having a bit of an impact on the team, especially the youngsters. They're going thru some growing pains.

I hope they get over the hump and finish strong.
 
BehindEnemyLines said:
It's possible that the close losses are having a bit of an impact on the team, especially the youngsters. They're going thru some growing pains.

I hope they get over the hump and finish strong.
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You lose close games in spades when you don't shoot free throws consistently, cannot handle on ball pressure, and don't have a clutch go-to guy.
 
BehindEnemyLines said:
It's possible that the close losses are having a bit of an impact on the team, especially the youngsters. They're going thru some growing pains.

I hope they get over the hump and finish strong.
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The Arizona game completely and utterly crushed the confidence of this young team. They have to find a way. A true leader needs to emerge - and I mean vocal. Wazzu is the game of the year as far as I'm concerned.
 
Keep reminding myself this is a young team and it's a long season.

Recruiting isn't the problem here. The lack of preparation on offense is. The talent is there, the coaches aren't doing a good job of putting their players in position to succeed right now. I trust this will change.
 
BehindEnemyLines said:
It's possible that the close losses are having a bit of an impact on the team, especially the youngsters. They're going thru some growing pains.

I hope they get over the hump and finish strong.
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This is an interesting thought, last year CU was 9-1 in games decided under 6 points. They won everything that was close. This year they are technically 3-1 in games decided by 6 or less, but if you count the zona game that was ultimately decided by 9 in OT, the UW game last night that was closer than the final score and the ASU game they were up 17 in at one point they are 3-4 in my own self assessed "close games". That has to take a toll on the team.
 
I don't think you can blame the Zona loss for the recent play of this team. We aren't a good road team. Period. We average 55 pts/game on the road. In Arizona, Chen score 15 points, yet he averages 4 pts/game. He shot incredibily well for one game. We should have won no doubt, but our road play has been dreadful besides that game.

Suprisingly, our defense has kept us close in every road game (minus the Kansas game), but our offense has been trash in every road game to cancel out our solid D.

We played well with Wyoming till the second half, blown out by KU, eecked out a win at Fresno, beaten at ASU and beaten at Washington.

I hope we can change something because CU really is a mediocre team right now. Mediocre teams don't win on the road against average teams, so we are definitely in that category.

I hope we can win against the below average teams on the road (at Utah/at Wash State). That's the first step to regaining some confidence in this team.

If we don't win at Washington State, I don't see this team recovering with its lack of leadership and pathetic offense on the road.

I hope I am wrong, but historically under Boyle ,we can't beat average and above teams on the road. Something has to change because we can't use the talent excuse any longer.
 
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Wow...it took all of two weeks for people to jump off the bandwagon. We should've seen this coming from a mile away. I mentioned the lack of depth before conference play and got every excuse in the book as to why it didn't matter. Now that we've been exposed a little, half the board has the pitchforks and torches out.

The truth is, this was always a transition year. In fact, every year under Boyle has been that way, but we were spoiled by consistently playing above our talent level. Stick with this team. We're still going to see some good basketball down the stretch and, when we return 5 starters next year, and bring in 5 talented new members to the rotation, we'll be right back where we all want to be.
 
Why are you all even bothering to respond to this poster "rialto"? I've already told you who I strongly suspect he actually is.

He's just trolling for **** he can possibly put in his "column" ... apparently his privileges at the Rockies' locker room have been rescinded ever since he was caught sniffing around in Dante Bichette's locker, and he has little else to "comment" on. Don't feed this ****ing troll ... or the fish-rag he "writes" for.
 
Can one of you smarty pants hippies post the records of all the PAC teams in away games in this thread? Other than UW and perhaps AZ and fUCLA, I'm struggling to remember who is good all the time when they play away this year. I'd look it up myself but I'm drinking and will probably get laid tonight by a solid 7 (8 if I drink more) later tonight but I know some of you have only stats and your hooves to play with at the moment. It may even be posted elsewhere in this forum but be a gent and move those figures to this thread. My point is...maybe the stats will reflect that CU is not unique on the road. Maybe you all are piling on in your hatred of this team. Let's see some numbers huh?
 
liverflukes said:
Can one of you smarty pants hippies post the records of all the PAC teams in away games in this thread? Other than UW and perhaps AZ and fUCLA, I'm struggling to remember who is good all the time when they play away this year. I'd look it up myself but I'm drinking and will probably get laid tonight by a solid 7 (8 if I drink more) later tonight but I know some of you have only stats and your hooves to play with at the moment. It may even be posted elsewhere in this forum but be a gent and move those figures to this thread. My point is...maybe the stats will reflect that CU is not unique on the road. Maybe you all are piling on in your hatred of this team. Let's see some numbers huh?
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I didn't know you were hanging out with burrito tonight.
 
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