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Denver Post Botched Scoop

JWP303

Well-Known Member
I think this is worthy of its own discussion. How did the Denver Post botch this story so badly? (They reported that BJ had accepted the offer last night, then tried to report that a deal was in place but BJ was stalling, before finally backing off the story all together.)

Was Bohn the source of the leak last night? If it was anybody else, then I think running that story is unforgivable and a fireable offense.

I don't necessarily blame them for BJ's decision, but how can a reputable news organization get it so horribly wrong?
 
I think the DP and the leak are a red herring. Expect to hear Butch Jones to Tenn or Wiscy soon. He was looking for a reason to get out of this deal and move on to something he sees as a better opportunity. I'm sure we will never know exactly what happened but I'm not going to worry about it.
 
The problem with your logic is you think the DP is a reputable news organization.

Newspapers=The Enquirer in today's electronic media. DP does not care if they get the story correct, only that they get traffic to the website.
 
NW Buff said:
I think the DP and the leak are a red herring. Expect to hear Butch Jones to Tenn or Wiscy soon. He was looking for a reason to get out of this deal and move on to something he sees as a better opportunity. I'm sure we will never know exactly what happened but I'm not going to worry about it.
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This.

I believe that Butch told Mike Bohn "yes".

If the DP ultimately claims that Butch's agent leaked the story, we can assume that Butch WANTED to look like a victim so that he could take a Tennessee job for 3 million (and still be the good guy).

It very well may have been an elaborate set-up.
 
yea - I blame all this on bj... should have sealed the deal before leaving. this cat just never really "felt right"...hope he is done and gone and we find a coach that wants to be a BUFF and lead some young Buffs
 
I really think that BJ wants out of UC. CU was offering big $$ and facilities and a solid conference, but lots of risk considering the past 7+ years. I'd venture a guess that he was seriously considering the job, but when Wisc & Tenn opened up he started to rethink CU and cast his wandering eyes to those schools.

Worse case scenario for BJ is that he keeps his current job for another year and starts the search up again next year. Best case is that he ends up with a good job with a solid B1G school or at a big time (if not down) SEC school. Both those options are better than CU right now.

I think it's a bit crappy if he verbally accepted the job and then used a "leak" as the reason to back out, but whatever. If he's the kind of guy that would do that, he's not the guy I want leading the Buffs back.
 
I agree. There might be some claim that the AD leaked this - but the fact is that both the Cincinnati and Denver papers reported 'multiple sources'. Other reports from the DP would say 'sources within the AD' when they had scoop from within the AD.

Regardless, I suspect that even if the AD leaked it, then Butch's agent confirmed the rumor.

Denver Post, CU, and Butch Jones all come out looking quite awful
 
BuffUp said:
yea - I blame all this on bj... should have sealed the deal before leaving. this cat just never really "felt right"...hope he is done and gone and we find a coach that wants to be a BUFF and lead some young Buffs
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Everything that happened after Monday is a great demonstration of why a coach has to be prepared to decide one way or the other before they go on an interview in a coaching search at this level. Once everybody knows he interviewed, there was no way he could go back and do business as usual the way he tried to. All Cincy wants to know is if he's leaving. All anybody else wants to know is if he has made a decision. And he looks like a damn fool trying to pretend it isn't happening.

That said, from what we've heard from pretty credible sources is that he told CU yes when he was here, he told CU players he was coming, then he went back to Cincy, tried to leverage the offer, stalled, and now is apparently getting ready to play the same game with Tennessee. If the Vols are smart, they'll run the other way. This guy just isn't worth it....
 
BuffUp said:
yea - I blame all this on bj... should have sealed the deal before leaving. this cat just never really "felt right"...hope he is done and gone and we find a coach that wants to be a BUFF and lead some young Buffs
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I agree. There's no good excuse for delaying the decision past Tuesday. If he stays at Cincinnati and doesn't go to Tenn. or Wisc. in the next week, this will hurt him in the future. AD's will remember his Hamlet act and know it for the bull**** it is.
 
Let's try to keep this on topic - the Denver Post reported a false story. They tried to scoop everyone and they failed.

Why isn't Tom Kensler getting fired today? This was a massive **** up from a journalistic standpoint. This isn't the Bleacher Report - this is the Denver Post.
 
Junction said:
Everything that happened after Monday is a great demonstration of why a coach has to be prepared to decide one way or the other before they go on an interview in a coaching search at this level. Once everybody knows he interviewed, there was no way he could go back and do business as usual the way he tried to. All Cincy wants to know is if he's leaving. All anybody else wants to know is if he has made a decision. And he looks like a damn fool trying to pretend it isn't happening.

That said, from what we've heard from pretty credible sources is that he told CU yes when he was here, he told CU players he was coming, then he went back to Cincy, tried to leverage the offer, stalled, and now is apparently getting ready to play the same game with Tennessee. If the Vols are smart, they'll run the other way. This guy just isn't worth it....
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It sounds to me like he also said Yes yesterday
 
BinaryBuff said:
I really think that BJ wants out of UC. CU was offering big $$ and facilities and a solid conference, but lots of risk considering the past 7+ years. I'd venture a guess that he was seriously considering the job, but when Wisc & Tenn opened up he started to rethink CU and cast his wandering eyes to those schools.

Worse case scenario for BJ is that he keeps his current job for another year and starts the search up again next year. Best case is that he ends up with a good job with a solid B1G school or at a big time (if not down) SEC school. Both those options are better than CU right now.

I think it's a bit crappy if he verbally accepted the job and then used a "leak" as the reason to back out, but whatever. If he's the kind of guy that would do that, he's not the guy I want leading the Buffs back.
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What program is even going to look at him now after how he acted? If I were him, I'd get used to being at Cincy for quite a while.
 
Orr said:
This.

I believe that Butch told Mike Bohn "yes".

If the DP ultimately claims that Butch's agent leaked the story, we can assume that Butch WANTED to look like a victim so that he could take a Tennessee job for 3 million (and still be the good guy).

It very well may have been an elaborate set-up.
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One of the DP articles I read last night said that the info/leak came from CU. It was late last night (about 11:45 pm) - it was either the Kensler or Kisla article from last night - and I'm super tired from going to the basketball game and waking up at 5:15 am, so I don't remember which one. Who knows if the Post pulled or changed any of that info, but it was in one of those articles last night.
 
This whole Butch Jones is such a good guy deal is such a joke.....guy cares about his image more than a 16 year old girl

Who ****ing cares if he's a good guy or not, obviously dude is an indecisive douche but if he wins FB games that's all anyone would care about.....whole thing was a joke over a guy that really doesn't have a proven record that would make all these schools clamor over him like they are
 
JWP303 said:
Let's try to keep this on topic - the Denver Post reported a false story. They tried to scoop everyone and they failed.

Why isn't Tom Kensler getting fired today? This was a massive **** up from a journalistic standpoint. This isn't the Bleacher Report - this is the Denver Post.
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Please, under that standard, the New York Times reports false stories every day. Journalists have sources and rely on those sources for information. The Denver Post heard from a source that it was a done deal and reported it. That the source had it wrong (maybe the source was correct at the time) doesn't necessarily mean it was bad journalism. It depends on who the source was, etc.

I will say that anonymous sourcing is a problem for journalists and it borders on ridiculous to use an anonymous source for a sports story, but because fans apparently insist on instant gratification and can now find it on the internet instead of in traditional media, crappily sourced stories will continue.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Please, under that standard, the New York Times reports false stories every day. Journalists have sources and rely on those sources for information. The Denver Post heard from a source that it was a done deal and reported it. That the source had it wrong (maybe the source was correct at the time) doesn't necessarily mean it was bad journalism. It depends on who the source was, etc.

I will say that anonymous sourcing is a problem for journalists and it borders on ridiculous to use an anonymous source for a sports story, but because fans apparently insist on instant gratification and can now find it on the internet instead of in traditional media, crappily sourced stories will continue.
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If someone at the New York Times blew a scoop like this they would be fired on the spot. Believe that.

A reporter assumes a certain risk by citing an anonymous source. If their source ends up being wrong, it's on the journalist, not the anonymous source.
 
JWP303 said:
If someone at the New York Times blew a scoop like this they would be fired on the spot. Believe that.

A reporter assumes a certain risk by citing an anonymous source. If their source ends up being wrong, it's on the journalist, not the anonymous source.
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Lol This is just not true.
 
BuffClass90 said:
What program is even going to look at him now after how he acted? If I were him, I'd get used to being at Cincy for quite a while.
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Someone will pick up the lying SOB. I feel sorry for them, as well as the Cincy players and fans. I'm thankful and relieved this joker is not coming here. We need someone who wants to be a Buff and proudly lead our team.
 
JWP303 said:
If someone at the New York Times blew a scoop like this they would be fired on the spot. Believe that.

A reporter assumes a certain risk by citing an anonymous source. If their source ends up being wrong, it's on the journalist, not the anonymous source.
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That's crazy talk. Judith Miller wrote anonymously sourced BS and stayed at the Times for years afterwards. In fact, the Times refused to blame "reporters" for the BS stories.
 
btbuff said:
Lol This is just not true.
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There are varying degrees of errors that are allowed in journalism.

Getting a big scoop wrong is second only to plagiarism in terms of massive **** ups. It's one thing to cite an anonymous source on a small detail and get it wrong. It's quite another thing to tarnish your employer's reputation by being the first news organization to report a false story.

Please tell me where you disagree.
 
JWP303 said:
There are varying degrees of errors that are allowed in journalism.

Getting a big scoop wrong is second only to plagiarism in terms of massive **** ups. It's one thing to cite an anonymous source on a small detail and get it wrong. It's quite another thing to tarnish your employer's reputation by being the first news organization to report a false story.

Please tell me where you disagree.
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The premise. These sports writers are not looking for a Pulitzer. They are just using sources and reporting as fast as possible. New York Times has no better standards for the small amount of sports writing they do as anyone.
I agree the Denver Post finds this embarassing, becuase lets face it, they got it wrong. But for every time they get these wrong if they get it right 10 times before anyone else, they have won.
 
btbuff said:
The premise. These sports writers are not looking for a Pulitzer. They are just using sources and reporting as fast as possible. New York Times has no better standards for the small amount of sports writing they do as anyone.
I agree the Denver Post finds this embarassing, becuase lets face it, they got it wrong. But for every time they get these wrong if they get it right 10 times before anyone else, they have won.
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Which is exactly why people ought to be fired for this sort of thing. If there is no recourse for reporting outright false stories, then how do you distinguish between the Denver Post and some anonymous douchebag's twitter feed? All they have is their reputation.

For as much **** as we give Kyle Ringo, he deserves credit for not feeding into the rumor mill on this one.
 
JWP303 said:
There are varying degrees of errors that are allowed in journalism.

Getting a big scoop wrong is second only to plagiarism in terms of massive **** ups. It's one thing to cite an anonymous source on a small detail and get it wrong. It's quite another thing to tarnish your employer's reputation by being the first news organization to report a false story.

Please tell me where you disagree.
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Yes.....where does the info come that relying on bad confidential info happens all the time or whatever? If you watch the movie "All the President's Men" which was an accurate depiction of Ben Bradlee at the Washington Post warning Woodward and Bernstein about the accuracy of their sources, and making them follow up repeatedly, you get a sense of how good journalists operate and they most often get it right. Someone made a comment about instant gratification in this important transition and if there was a journalistic mistake, chalk it up to that.
 
Conspiracy theory: DP scooped this early intentionally to sabotage the deal so it reflects poorly in Bohn. Anyone? Anyone?
 
JWP303 said:
Let's try to keep this on topic - the Denver Post reported a false story. They tried to scoop everyone and they failed.

Why isn't Tom Kensler getting fired today? This was a massive **** up from a journalistic standpoint. This isn't the Bleacher Report - this is the Denver Post.
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Did they? There seems to be evidence that, at the time, the story was in fact true. The question, in my mind, is whether the DP was aware of the request that the info not be released prior to a stated time, and released it anyway to garner the scoooooooooooooooooooooop. Not in any way defending the Post, but would like to know the circumstances before burning them down.
 
krom said:
Conspiracy theory: DP scooped this early intentionally to sabotage the deal so it reflects poorly in Bohn. Anyone? Anyone?
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Or the AD forced the leak so it looks bad on Jones and they can move to their next candidate.
 
As much as I hate most of the writers for the DP, I simply cannot hold them responsible for this. BJ had an agenda and this was a convenient piece of it as I said before - good riddance.
 
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