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Desperation time in Westwood?

Crash Davis said:
UCLA players will learn the finer points of the straight backwards pitch.
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Man, this is so ironic. Rick would NOT run the ball in '95 or '96 even when it was easy! I have to say that I have been predicting the return of some thinly veiled option eventually anyway. Really, it doesn't take much to go from his Pistol conept to a full-blown option. I, for one, will love seeing the option return. I also like the irony of Rick being desparate enough to try it.
 
I am not saying the Rick can pull it off because his history shows him doing lots of things halfway and them turning out to not be very good.

I do believe that if a team made a commitment to running the option they could kill people with it. Teams simply don't practice against it, most don't even have a coach who could prepare a scout team to simulate it in practice, much less players who have the skills and techniques. With all the spread offenses teams are designed to stop a completely different kind of offense, a spread them out and pass on them scheme instead of a draw them in and make them make a decision scheme. DE's/OLBs have no idea of the discipline required to maintain their positional responsibility and force the play rather than attack and chase.
 
I don't think they were going to the Option offense, just using it at certain times. A lot of schools do that including CU last year
 
i'd be more persuaded if Rick mentioned the agility of his OL....maybe pulling guards. that's where the option starts.
 
I don't expect much. The article quoted RN as saying "it's a great play if you can execute it". "Play", as in sigular. They are not changing systems, just looking at a change of pace play. After the first turnover or two because of a fumbled pitch that play will be torn from the playbook.
 
Wyo Buff said:
Man, this is so ironic. Rick would NOT run the ball in '95 or '96 even when it was easy! I have to say that I have been predicting the return of some thinly veiled option eventually anyway. Really, it doesn't take much to go from his Pistol conept to a full-blown option. I, for one, will love seeing the option return. I also like the irony of Rick being desparate enough to try it.
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LOL...I've been part of a fantasy football league since 02 made up of a bunch of guys I went to school with at CU. The first year we started the league one of the owner's team names was "Hersch Up The Middle" in honor of Ricky's awesomely creative run scheme when Herschell Troutman was our RB during those years.
 
SuperD said:
LOL...I've been part of a fantasy football league since 02 made up of a bunch of guys I went to school with at CU. The first year we started the league one of the owner's team names was "Hersch Up The Middle" in honor of Ricky's awesomely creative run scheme when Herschell Troutman was our RB during those years.
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The best Hersh up the middle actually started as a hb pass against Texas I believe. Great run and great win.
 
Rick was a master at designing the option roll out punt....
 
I feel bad for Hundley and Brehaut. They go there expecting Slick Rick the QB guru failing to realize that the guy has somehow achieved that reputation without actually being a QB guru.
 
White_Rabbit said:
I feel bad for Hundley and Brehaut. They go there expecting Slick Rick the QB guru failing to realize that the guy has somehow achieved that reputation without actually being a QB guru.
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This.

Where Slick got the reputation for being some kind of QB mastermind is beyond me.
 
sackman said:
This.

Where Slick got the reputation for being some kind of QB mastermind is beyond me.
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People assume that since he was a college QB who succeeded despite limited talent he must be able to teach guys how to be QBs. He has had a lot of years in coaching and still hasn't had much success at this but people keep thinking it.
 
MtnBuff said:
People assume that since he was a college QB who succeeded despite limited talent he must be able to teach guys how to be QBs. He has had a lot of years in coaching and still hasn't had much success at this but people keep thinking it.
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the durability of the idea, agree, is what astonishes me. it all seems based on Kordell, and maybe one throw in Ann Arbor where Rick is briefly on camera. after that....Zac Colvins of the world unite. he inherited Tui at UW. and while it was a long time ago, that O was a lot like the Vince Young offense in terms of Greg Davis=mastermind.
 
there is no question that kordell improved greatly with RN's coaching. since then, RN's resume is not good.
 
I think Kordell benefitted a lot more from having a 2,000 yard RB coupled with two NFL WR's and an NFL TE to throw to than he did from anything the slickster could do for him.
 
sackman said:
I think Kordell benefitted a lot more from having a 2,000 yard RB coupled with two NFL WR's and an NFL TE to throw to than he did from anything the slickster could do for him.
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he had those guys the year before too.
 
Kordell benefitted from have an immense amount of natural talent. Neu did do a good job of taking him through the transition from being an option QB to being a traditional pro-set QB although this was helped a huge amount by Kordell being tall, strong, fast, and a quick learner. Even here he made a lot of plays because he could run away from (or over) pressure. He didn't exactly become a model of reading defenses and decision making in the new offense. This showed up when he got to the pros and basically had to relearn the position over again. The Steelers tried to change him into a reciever before he became a starter and he never was known for his command of the fine points of QBing. He certainly had the intelligence based on his ability to learn multiple positions but the coaching he got from Neu was a good start but I wouldn't credit him with a spectacular job.
 
Kordell had a crazy amount of athleticism, but that might be the first time I have heard someone call him tall. He did not have the ideal size for a pro QB.
 
Boulder Buff said:
Kordell had a crazy amount of athleticism, but that might be the first time I have heard someone call him tall. He did not have the ideal size for a pro QB.
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He was taller than most of the option QBs of the era. Remember than guys like Hagan, Frazier, JCWatts, etc. were for the most part under 5'10". Kordell was not tall by NFL standards but he was over 6'. This made his transition much easier.
 
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