Embree drops 10 places on Coaches Hot Seat

[boydbuff]

Last week he was ranked as high as 14th and some of us thought he should have been even higher, but he rightfully dropped 10 places this week to 24th:

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm

On a related note, ESPN just ran a column about the importance of HC to show meaningful progress by year 3. http://espn.go.com/ncf/notebook/_/page/football-120924Schlabach/week-5

As many have suggested, I think barring some unforeseen events (i.e. I don't mean blowouts to teams that should blow us out), after Saturday's win, Embree & Co will probably get, and probably deserve the 3rd year to see if they can turn this thing around.

As Nik and others have said, I will certainly be rooting for them to do so.

 

[dio]

I will be rooting for him to prove that he deserves a third year, but winning by one point against a bad WSU team does not excuse CSU, Sac State, and Fresno - not too mention the blowouts last year. If he only wins 1 or 2 games this season, then then he should go.

 

[vicki]

Leach rose all the way up from 99th to 58th. Ouch.

 

[White_Rabbit]

Bohn needs to sign Embree to an extension yesterday. Get on it Bohn. This thing has clearly turned around.

 

[boydbuff]

Bohn needs to sign Embree to an extension yesterday. Get on it Bohn. This thing has clearly turned around.

I sure as he** am not saying that. Some of you saw my email thread with Bohn prior to the WSU game. Here was my response to his latest email to me:

Thank you for engaging me. In the end I didn't have the heart to take my son to WSU and watch my beloved Buffs get trounced yet again. Now I regret that decision and so does my 8 year old son, who insisted I should have been more optimistic.

I think the jury is out on this staff but for the first time we (Buff fans) were able to see our team play with heart and pride and to fight back. We also saw our coaching staff outcoach our opponents for the first time this year. These facts lead me to believe that at least our staff has the potential to turn this thing around. That is all I wanted to see. Now I will support them through the end of the season at least, regardless of W/L, assuming they continue to fight and to show they are improving.

 

[White_Rabbit]

I sure as he** am not saying that. Some of you saw my email thread with Bohn prior to the WSU game. Here was my response to his latest email to me:

So let me get this straight. You think he should get and deserves a third year based on one win. Why?

 

[boydbuff]

So let me get this straight. You think he should get and deserves a third year based on one win. Why?

I think he definitely deserves to see this season out. If the team shows some improvement throughout the year despite a likely shi**y W/L record than yes, I think he deserved 1 more year, BECAUSE he inherited a pretty crappy team w/ a terrible losing attitude.

Hard to turn it around in 2 seasons. Before Saturday I was calling for his head too, BUT Saturday changed for me. Not just because we won, against a bad team, but because our team finally showed heart, our coaches outcoached the opponent for one of the first times in their 2 seasons.

As you can read from my email to Bohn, I am going to support this staff if they can show continued signs of improvement despite the W/L record.

 

[CVilleBuff]

Embree needs to get 2 more wins or he should be gone. A 1-11 season with no wins other than 1 pt over Wazzu in September would lead to a pretty toxic situation come late November. Going out and getting slaughtered by UCLA and ASU at home before heading into the brutal stretch would not be a wise thing to do. That's all I'll say about it this week.

 

[buffaholic]

I will be rooting for him to prove that he deserves a third year, but winning by one point against a bad WSU team does not excuse CSU, Sac State, and Fresno - not too mention the blowouts last year. If he only wins 1 or 2 games this season, then then he should go.

The events of this weekend were a complete and total turnaround. I don't see how we could have been much lower than that Fresno State debacle and the team quit. Not sure if they quit on Embree or just quit because they were young and leaderless... But that was a new low.

To come back and beat (with Leach's help) WSU away, is a pretty amazing highlight. But it's not the W, it was the WAY they did it that impressed me. They played good all day, but kept shooting themselves in the foot with ridiculous plays and penalties (Webb had a terrible pic, Nembot and Hall's childish penalties, Webb's personal foul, a shanked punt, horrible kickoff teams and return teams, missed receivers, and fumbles). Yet, when it counted, they stood tall. Leadership emerged (Webb, Kasa, Bahktiari on offense for sure).

So Saturday was EVERYTHING that the previous weekend was not. This is a pretty big win. I will not undersell it. But I also won't kid myself that we will now go .500 the rest of the way.

In the end, I don't care about the W's. I picked this team to start 2-0 and wind up with 3-4 wins. We will fall short of that in all likelihood. We are just far too young and far too lacking in key areas such as WR. We shouldn't be starting a kid at LG who has been on campus for 13 months. No PAC12 team does that. I actually stated we would be favored only in the first 2 games, but then I drank a little kool-aid.

I also never bought into the "easy schedule, new staffs" crapola. Dan F'ing Hawkins would win with Skippy's players (ditto AZ and ASU).

So given all the above, the 0-3 start was distressing, and that Fresno State game was really hard to take or explain.

But it's way too early in this rebuilding job to be talking W/L records as a metric for a 3rd year.

The only metrics are:

1. Are we improving? We should suck. But are we sucking less?
2. Are we able to recruit? If 1 above is true, I think Embree will still be able to get a decent haul this year, even with 2-3 wins.
3. Does the team play hard and is there discipline in the program? (Erickson at ASU did 1 and 2, but unable to handle #3, which eventually undermined 1 & 2)

There is a group of talent that is very young that is impressive. Look no further than Nembot's after-the-whistle personal foul on Saturday. Someone on Rivals said they laughed. I laughed out loud. It was so blatantly stupid, but you know Nembot is not a cheap player. He's just raw. I could just hear Embree explaining to him "Stephon, do you know that you have to stop when the whistle blows?" Nembot is the poster child for this youth movement. Having really not truly moved to O-Line until this spring and having almost no football experience whatsoever, and no playing experience at O-Line..... he started Saturday. It reminds me of that movie Blind Side when Michael Oher has no clue how to play football and Sandra Bullock breaks it down for him at the 2:20 mark:
[video=youtube;i1hG_mjQojw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hG_mjQojw[/video]

 

[boydbuff]

I'm repping Buffaholic b/c he just articulated everything I am trying to say.

 

[dio]

The events of this weekend were a complete and total turnaround. I don't see how we could have been much lower than that Fresno State debacle and the team quit. Not sure if they quit on Embree or just quit because they were young and leaderless... But that was a new low.

To come back and beat (with Leach's help) WSU away, is a pretty amazing highlight. But it's not the W, it was the WAY they did it that impressed me. They played good all day, but kept shooting themselves in the foot with ridiculous plays and penalties (Webb had a terrible pic, Nembot and Hall's childish penalties, Webb's personal foul, a shanked punt, horrible kickoff teams and return teams, missed receivers, and fumbles). Yet, when it counted, they stood tall. Leadership emerged (Webb, Kasa, Bahktiari on offense for sure).

So Saturday was EVERYTHING that the previous weekend was not. This is a pretty big win. I will not undersell it. But I also won't kid myself that we will now go .500 the rest of the way.

In the end, I don't care about the W's. I picked this team to start 2-0 and wind up with 3-4 wins. We will fall short of that in all likelihood. We are just far too young and far too lacking in key areas such as WR. We shouldn't be starting a kid at LG who has been on campus for 13 months. No PAC12 team does that. I actually stated we would be favored only in the first 2 games, but then I drank a little kool-aid.

I also never bought into the "easy schedule, new staffs" crapola. Dan F'ing Hawkins would win with Skippy's players (ditto AZ and ASU).

So given all the above, the 0-3 start was distressing, and that Fresno State game was really hard to take or explain.

But it's way too early in this rebuilding job to be talking W/L records as a metric for a 3rd year.

The only metrics are:

1. Are we improving? We should suck. But are we sucking less?
2. Are we able to recruit? If 1 above is true, I think Embree will still be able to get a decent haul this year, even with 2-3 wins.
3. Does the team play hard and is there discipline in the program? (Erickson at ASU did 1 and 2, but unable to handle #3, which eventually undermined 1 & 2)

There is a group of talent that is very young that is impressive. Look no further than Nembot's after-the-whistle personal foul on Saturday. Someone on Rivals said they laughed. I laughed out loud. It was so blatantly stupid, but you know Nembot is not a cheap player. He's just raw. I could just hear Embree explaining to him "Stephon, do you know that you have to stop when the whistle blows?" Nembot is the poster child for this youth movement. Having really not truly moved to O-Line until this spring and having almost no football experience whatsoever, and no playing experience at O-Line..... he started Saturday. It reminds me of that movie Blind Side when Michael Oker has no clue how to play football and Sandra Bullock breaks it down for him at the 2:20 mark:
[video=youtube;i1hG_mjQojw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hG_mjQojw[/video]

Sure - if we go out and play tough then that is all swell and good. But recruiting has been abysmal this year, so that is a strike against them. If this recruiting class wasn't so bad, then maybe I could get on-board with letting them continue on.

I simply disagree with you about worrying about the W/L's. We got blown out most of the time last year when we weren't so young, which was ok cause it was a new staff. Now if we continue to get blown out it is ok because we're young. It is a lame excuse.

 

[CVilleBuff]

Sure - if we go out and play tough then that is all swell and good. But recruiting has been abysmal this year, so that is a strike against them. If this recruiting class wasn't so bad, then maybe I could get on-board with letting them continue on.

I simply disagree with you about worrying about the W/L's. We got blown out most of the time last year when we weren't so young, which was ok cause it was a new staff. Now if we continue to get blown out it is ok because we're young. It is a lame excuse.

Yep. It's time to stop pretending this recruiting effort is okay, because it's not. And that's even if we hold on to our two prized possessions. God knows what guys like Palma are thinking about us at this point.

 

[buffwings]

OK, it obvious the bliss of the win is wearing off. Truth is the buffnation needs to see a lot more from this staff before we can say they aren't over their heads. Let's see if they can be consistent in putting a decent effort on the field.

 

[89BuffsBest]

Yep. It's time to stop pretending this recruiting effort is okay, because it's not. And that's even if we hold on to our two prized possessions. God knows what guys like Palma are thinking about us at this point.

Expectations are simply too high for recruiting right now. We've got 13 commitments coming into a season for the first time in a LONG time (the last several years we had low single digits this time of year). All of the guys look like solid players. We've already got 2 4* players (depending on which service you look at). Last year we didn't land a 4* till late January. How many other teams with a .231 win percentage from last season can claim a top 60 class (keep in mind there are about 60 bowl teams every year)? A few more efforts like the one this past weekend will make a big difference. Also, this claim that "youth is a lame excuse" is ridiculous. The simple truth is that an 18 or 19 year old is not as physically, mentally, or emotionally mature as a 21 or 22 year old, even if one plays for a team in a BCS conference and the other doesn't. The majority of the time, the older man is going to come out on top in such a matchup. Youth and experience make a huge difference.

 

[dio]

Expectations are simply too high for recruiting right now. We've got 13 commitments coming into a season for the first time in a LONG time (the last several years we had low single digits this time of year). All of the guys look like solid players. We've already got 2 4* players (depending on which service you look at). Last year we didn't land a 4* till late January. How many other teams with a .231 win percentage from last season can claim a top 60 class (keep in mind there are about 60 bowl teams every year)? A few more efforts like the one this past weekend will make a big difference. Also, this claim that "youth is a lame excuse" is ridiculous. The simple truth is that an 18 or 19 year old is not as physically, mentally, or emotionally mature as a 21 or 22 year old, even if one plays for a team in a BCS conference and the other doesn't. The majority of the time, the older man is going to come out on top in such a matchup. Youth and experience make a huge difference.

The big selling point for this staff was their ability to recruit. What has EB done? Nothing basically. The last class was a good class. A good rebuilding class. But we needed to equal the quality of player that we pulled last year. We aren't. Who are we beating out for these guys? What are the offer sheets like? Not good, for the most part.

And youth is a lame excuse? I don't care if we had all true freshmen playing - youth shouldn't have been an excuse for CSU and Sac State, and get the hinges blown off at Fresno is inexcusable. There are plenty of young teams that aren't getting crushed.

I hope Embo and Co come out and prove me dead wrong and win some games. I'm not asking for much, I just want to be an average Pac-12 team at this point.

 

[duaneallman8]

I'm not sure what to think of Embree yet but I'm still pretty sure that EB at OC, Brown at DC, and Marshall are not keys to success. WSU is a really bad team that gave CU a bunch of yards, time and confidence to take the W. Yes there was improvement regardless of the win or loss last week but I think the lack of quality of WSU is not being given a lot of thought here.

Beat UCLA (preferably this one because recruits should be on campus), or ASU and my hopes might improve a bit.

 

[Duff Man]

Expectations are simply too high for recruiting right now. We've got 13 commitments coming into a season for the first time in a LONG time (the last several years we had low single digits this time of year). All of the guys look like solid players. We've already got 2 4* players (depending on which service you look at). Last year we didn't land a 4* till late January. How many other teams with a .231 win percentage from last season can claim a top 60 class (keep in mind there are about 60 bowl teams every year)? A few more efforts like the one this past weekend will make a big difference. Also, this claim that "youth is a lame excuse" is ridiculous. The simple truth is that an 18 or 19 year old is not as physically, mentally, or emotionally mature as a 21 or 22 year old, even if one plays for a team in a BCS conference and the other doesn't. The majority of the time, the older man is going to come out on top in such a matchup. Youth and experience make a huge difference.

I swear some of you guys are just ****ing with me now. No way some of you guys still just look at recruiting as a numbers game, no freaking way after the last several years.

Are we really touting top 60 classes now? Seriously?

 

[White_Rabbit]

I swear some of you guys are just ****ing with me now. No way some of you guys still just look at recruiting as a numbers game, no freaking way after the last several years.

Are we really touting top 60 classes now? Seriously?

How low are your expectations? That low? Well, you need to adjust accordingly. Lower them.

 

[FlatironsBuff]

The events of this weekend were a complete and total turnaround. I don't see how we could have been much lower than that Fresno State debacle and the team quit. Not sure if they quit on Embree or just quit because they were young and leaderless... But that was a new low.

To come back and beat (with Leach's help) WSU away, is a pretty amazing highlight. But it's not the W, it was the WAY they did it that impressed me. They played good all day, but kept shooting themselves in the foot with ridiculous plays and penalties (Webb had a terrible pic, Nembot and Hall's childish penalties, Webb's personal foul, a shanked punt, horrible kickoff teams and return teams, missed receivers, and fumbles). Yet, when it counted, they stood tall. Leadership emerged (Webb, Kasa, Bahktiari on offense for sure).

So Saturday was EVERYTHING that the previous weekend was not. This is a pretty big win. I will not undersell it. But I also won't kid myself that we will now go .500 the rest of the way.

In the end, I don't care about the W's. I picked this team to start 2-0 and wind up with 3-4 wins. We will fall short of that in all likelihood. We are just far too young and far too lacking in key areas such as WR. We shouldn't be starting a kid at LG who has been on campus for 13 months. No PAC12 team does that. I actually stated we would be favored only in the first 2 games, but then I drank a little kool-aid.

I also never bought into the "easy schedule, new staffs" crapola. Dan F'ing Hawkins would win with Skippy's players (ditto AZ and ASU).

So given all the above, the 0-3 start was distressing, and that Fresno State game was really hard to take or explain.

But it's way too early in this rebuilding job to be talking W/L records as a metric for a 3rd year.

The only metrics are:

1. Are we improving? We should suck. But are we sucking less?
2. Are we able to recruit? If 1 above is true, I think Embree will still be able to get a decent haul this year, even with 2-3 wins.
3. Does the team play hard and is there discipline in the program? (Erickson at ASU did 1 and 2, but unable to handle #3, which eventually undermined 1 & 2)

There is a group of talent that is very young that is impressive. Look no further than Nembot's after-the-whistle personal foul on Saturday. Someone on Rivals said they laughed. I laughed out loud. It was so blatantly stupid, but you know Nembot is not a cheap player. He's just raw. I could just hear Embree explaining to him "Stephon, do you know that you have to stop when the whistle blows?" Nembot is the poster child for this youth movement. Having really not truly moved to O-Line until this spring and having almost no football experience whatsoever, and no playing experience at O-Line..... he started Saturday. It reminds me of that movie Blind Side when Michael Oher has no clue how to play football and Sandra Bullock breaks it down for him at the 2:20 mark:
[video=youtube;i1hG_mjQojw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1hG_mjQojw[/video]

I am on my phone a.d unsure how to rep through Tapatalk, but hear hear. My sentiments exactly. I thought he lost the team, but I was wrong. I love being wrong sometimes. I just want to see that hard hitting team full of fight for the rest of the year.

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