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halfway through camp
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I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. There has been nothing but good news so far.
just hope that shoe does not drop on sept 1.
seen this all before. i dont feel good about day one. :huh:
Unleash Hell
Well-Known Member
4 wins max
SJBuff
Club Member
I know you guys are all looking at this season pessimistically - that way you will either be correct or pleasantly surprised - but I think many of you know down deep that the table is set for our buffs to win 7+ this season. We were 3-8 in 2000 and went 11-2 in 2001, there's no reason why we can't pull a big turn around this year too (maybe not that big). With so many of our opponents engaged in culture change because there is a new HC and our buffs finally playing with heart and being coached how to play football, I see us surprising the hell out of a lot of people. With our schedule, some luck and some early momentum I think its entirely doable to flip our record from last year and go 9-3. I'm thinking we win 7 or 8.
CanadianDuck
Well-Known Member
I find the Trojan fans annoying, but at least they have won something unlike UW fans who have the same attitude.
Now back on topic..... The Pac-12 always has 1 team that out performs what the so called experts expect and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Colorado. Well that and of all the teams who are picked to finish in the bottom 6 I would prefer if Colorado was the one to have a surprise season.
I think like this from time to time. There are a lot of good things going for us this year. The biggest of them is that Embree might be finally coaching the HaLk out of this team. Then I remember the Washington and UCLA games from last year. I think there is a good chance we could make a bowl, 8 wins is a bridge too far for my hopes this season.
SJBuff
Club Member
I hear you. I just likes me some koolaide.
Color me surpised. I thought we were 10-3 that year.
Unleash Hell
Well-Known Member
More than half of the starters from the 2001 team ended up in the NFL, how many starters on the 2012 team do you think will get a shot in the NFL?
Unleash Hell
Well-Known Member
And if this is a turnaround like 00-01, then we better have the same results against CSU. No more pussyfooting with those little bitches.
SJBuff
Club Member
Maybe more than you think. Before the 01 season we had 4 likely league level players (Guerode, Bannan, Graham, Lewis) we didn't know the rest had a shot at the league until after '01. This year - Bakhtiari, PRich, Major & Rippy all have descent shots at the league but we may look back on this team 3 years from now and say "but what about Lewis and Henderson and D Webb and Wood and Pericak and Polk and T Jones and..." we could be closer than many people think.
nah. this team is much more likely to go the 1999-2000 route of 3-8. That 2001 team had a lot of impact juniors and seniors. Not to mention a returning starter at QB with solid depth. Sooo what I'm saying is if you want to make comparisons, wait a year :lol:
SJBuff
Club Member
Do you really think our QB situation at the start of '01 was better than what we have now?
Ochs, a highly touted recruit, was a true Soph with half a season's game experience and almost no success. Bobby P was a JC transfer who was lightly tested, and Robert Hodge was masquerading as a D1 QB. Today we have Webb, a transfer with 19 games experience as a starter (and not a lot of success), Wood is a highly ranked recruit who is untested, and Hirschman who has very limited game experience but knows the team and system. It's close, but I give the 2012 team the Qb edge.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
Thanks for the golden Kool-Aid. There is never enough of that.
The Big 12 was in the midst of seeing the balance of power shift from the North to the South back in 2001 and OU was coming off that surprising National Championship. During the Big 12's early years, we saw quite the coaching turnover which is already happening in the Pac-12.
2013 could end up being like our 2001 more than 2012. In the year 2000, we were competitive despite the record...that is something I want to see more of this upcoming season.
Ochs was the best thing since sliced bread before the season started in 2001. And Pesavento was a damn solid backup. The rest of the team was way more experienced than this years team.
SJBuff
Club Member
Was a true sophomore who had 7 games of experience and two wins the best thing since sliced bread? Ochs had potential but he was still real green and with significant liability.
I also think people over estimate their confidence in Pesavento at the start of 2001. In 2000 Pesavento had very little game time and wasn't good enough to beat out a true freshman for the starting spot when it was clear that Colvin wasn't going to work out. What about his performance in 2000 makes him a solid back up? I think for many people Bobby P was good enough to carry the clipboard and handle mop up duties. Ironically, in hindsight he was the best of that bunch IMHO.
My point is that we have roughly the same level of ambiguity with respect to QBs before the start of this season as we did before the 2001 season. 2012 is no different than 2001 so why can't we have the same result?
I notice you have completely avoided discussing anything about the team other than QB.
Truth. Leading a horse to water, you are.
Also, I'm very curious to see how Powell compares to Drumm in his time here. Drumm made grown linebackers cry.
That returning starter didn't finish the season, you know.
yup. but there is no way this team matches up with 2001. no way.
I agree. That offense was sick.
SJBuff
Club Member
Okay, yes the 2012 team is younger and that will probably impact the w/l column which is why we won't do as well as the 2001 team(10 wins). Happy? But you can't say our qb situation was better back in the beginning 2001.
I still say we win 7+ this year. There's a lot of factors lining up in our favor and if we can get some momentum we can really make a splash.
SJBuff
Club Member
That's what everyone said about the 2001 team when they compared them to the '89 team.
We will see...
Mick Ronson
Well-Known Member
i don't get some of the comparisons in this thread. i loved the 01 team like everyone else but that was a team that gained like 8 poll spots the 2 weeks before the NU crushing without even playing. lost at home to Fresno and were beaten badly in Austin. That Texas team lost to OU...so, it was damaged goods to a degree. wasn't like beating VY and those killers he had on D. Michael Huff and those guys.
bowl eligible is the goal for me. basketball surprised us, who knows?
bowl eligible is the goal for me. basketball surprised us, who knows?
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Think the qb situation compared to 01 is pretty close. RB is not close, Cortlen Johnson was solid and Marcus could have been if he wasnt umm what he was. Oline and pretty much everything else, edge 01. We are talented in spots but green as Masters grass.
No team starts/plays a bunch of True Freshmen and is as young as we are and "should" win 7 games. Not after coming off a 3 win year where we lost almost all of our offense. We got way too many question marks.
Some of them are getting answered by True Frosh showing up where we desperately needed them. Here's what has to happen to win 6 games and go bowling:
QB - Upper half of PAC12 efficiency. TBD
TE - Kasa plays much better than a DL guy should with no experience AND stays healthy - Possible, looking better.
FB - Some new guys need to emerge - Looking better
DT - 3 guys need to emerge - looking better with Bonsu plus Tupou and some other frosh. Need Pericek to stay healthy. TBD.
DE - need solid backup play from some Frosh and D. Uzo-Diribe to stay healthy. TBD
DB - need to find a couple new guys to step up (Crawley, Yuri, Hall, Mosely, Bell, Moten?) - promising
Need a lot of guys to stay healthy as there aren't too many positions where we plug in a guy without a big drop-off. By 2013, I expect that will be much less of an issue.
To me, it would be a miracle if Embree can fill all of those holes above with new guys we didn't see before. But it looks better every day as the Kool-Aide continues to flow from camp.
Lastly, I'd suggest again that often times coaching changes bring immediate improvement. I suspect that you could see a much better team in UCLA, ASU and WSU along with Fresno State. People wrote off Hawaii last year as a slam dunk. All of these teams are more talented than they played to last year. They are better than that. ASU and UCLA had severe coaching issues. All return proven QBs except ASU who seems to have some talent stockpiled there in waiting.
Much healthier to realize we will be sending in unproven kids against teams that will be sending in guys who've been on campus a few years. And then hope for upside. It feels better than disappointment.
Some of them are getting answered by True Frosh showing up where we desperately needed them. Here's what has to happen to win 6 games and go bowling:
QB - Upper half of PAC12 efficiency. TBD
TE - Kasa plays much better than a DL guy should with no experience AND stays healthy - Possible, looking better.
FB - Some new guys need to emerge - Looking better
DT - 3 guys need to emerge - looking better with Bonsu plus Tupou and some other frosh. Need Pericek to stay healthy. TBD.
DE - need solid backup play from some Frosh and D. Uzo-Diribe to stay healthy. TBD
DB - need to find a couple new guys to step up (Crawley, Yuri, Hall, Mosely, Bell, Moten?) - promising
Need a lot of guys to stay healthy as there aren't too many positions where we plug in a guy without a big drop-off. By 2013, I expect that will be much less of an issue.
To me, it would be a miracle if Embree can fill all of those holes above with new guys we didn't see before. But it looks better every day as the Kool-Aide continues to flow from camp.
Lastly, I'd suggest again that often times coaching changes bring immediate improvement. I suspect that you could see a much better team in UCLA, ASU and WSU along with Fresno State. People wrote off Hawaii last year as a slam dunk. All of these teams are more talented than they played to last year. They are better than that. ASU and UCLA had severe coaching issues. All return proven QBs except ASU who seems to have some talent stockpiled there in waiting.
Much healthier to realize we will be sending in unproven kids against teams that will be sending in guys who've been on campus a few years. And then hope for upside. It feels better than disappointment.