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Hawaii Punter's Run Towards Line Of Scrimmage

Jayne Cobb

Jayne Cobb

One Damn Dirty Ape
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I think that for all but one of the Hawaii punts, their kicker would run a good five yards to the left or right, and then forward at least half-way to the line of scrimmage before kicking a rugby-style kick. I am not sure if this was a fake punt option, where the kicker can keep running if the defense is in the wrong position, but I found it very effective.

It got me thinking, though, what the rule would be on roughing the kicker on such a play. It seems to me like the kicker would should no longer have the same protection as a traditional punter when kicking using this technique.

Here is the rule:

When it is obvious that a scrimmage kick will be made, no opponent shall run into or rough the kicker or the holder of a place kick (A.R. 9-1-16-I, III and VI).

  1. Roughing is a live-ball personal foul that endangers the kicker or holder.
  2. Running into the kicker or holder is a live-ball foul that occurs when the kicker or holder is displaced from his kicking or holding position but is not roughed (A.R. 9-1-16-II). Note: Running into the kicker carries a five-yard penalty at the previous spot.
  3. Incidental contact with a kicker or holder is not a foul.
  4. The kicker’s protection under this rule ends (a)when he has had a reasonable time to regain his balance (A.R. 9-1-16-IV); or (b)when he carries the ball outside the tackle box (Rule 2-34) before kicking.
  5. When a defensive player’s contact against the kicker or holder is caused by an opponent’s block (legal or illegal), there is no foul for running into or roughing.
  6. A player who makes contact with the kicker or holder after touching the kick is not charged with running into or roughing the kicker.
  7. When a player other than one who blocks a scrimmage kick runs into or roughs the kicker or holder, it is a foul.
  8. When in question whether the foul is running into or roughing, the foul is roughing.
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So, under the 4th numbered paragraph, this kicker, who almost always ran outside the tackle box, would have not had the protections that a punter would have even with the type of rugby kick that O'Neill does. In short, I think that the CU defense could rough him as long as the roughing did not constitute another penalty.
 
He got F'd up by his own player. Thought that might be the end of that but he kept doing it. At some point he is going to get seriously hurt
 
Yes. We should've rocked his ass. I was thinking that during the game. He was fair game once he started running.
 
patebuff said:
He got F'd up by his own player. Thought that might be the end of that but he kept doing it. At some point he is going to get seriously hurt
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The dude's a rugby player, he knows when to kick the ball to avoid being tackled.
 
How's about Darragh on that keeper. Wow he has wheels. Gutsy call also. Big play there.
 
Yeah, that type of punt is extremely dangerous. I know the guy is a former rugby player, but against teams that are more athletic and have the advantage of seeing more tape on him there will be some blocked punts/fumbles returned for TDs and a dead punter.
 
patebuff said:
Based off of the rules above, not sure it would matter if he was a MMA fighter or not.
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I'm pretty sure it's unnecessary roughness to blow him up after he kicks the ball, someone should try it and see what happens.
 
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