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Houston's top Regent rips UT & Big 12

Buffnik

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http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-critical-big-12-wake-texas-hiring-tom-herman

On UT:
"It's disappointing that the University of Texas -- who wants to open a campus in Houston and said they would never do anything to harm the University of Houston, with all the football coaches in America, who said that they would stand up for us to get into the Big 12 and then didn't even vote for us when they met with the commissioner and all the schools -- had to come take our little football coach," Fertitta told Berry.

On Big 12 expansion process "sham":
"You know when I knew we were in trouble?" Fertitta said. "There were three [university] presidents who were on the [Big 12 expansion] committee and when we went to the interview, they weren't even part of the interview process. I walked out of that meeting and said 'Wow, this is a sham. There's no intention of doing anything.'
"It was one of the great shams in college football, and college athletics, and just college period. ... It was a total sham and I sit here today and I laugh at the Big 12 and their leadership."
 
sackman said:
And we still have people on this board who think if we just structured it right, UT would be a good addition to the Pac 12. SMFH.
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To be fair, Texas didn't want Big-12 expansion since the beginning, this was all driven by OU and Boren. Now you are going to get mad at Texas for hiring Houston's coach?
 
sackman said:
And we still have people on this board who think if we just structured it right, UT would be a good addition to the Pac 12. SMFH.
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You are warping the argument and you know it.

The Pac-12 is losing ground to other P5 conferences on a yearly basis, both in TV money and in visibility. Adding teams like OU and UT would change that for the better, without a doubt. You and others have chosen to brush off the widening gap between the Pac-12 and other conferences as mostly a minor inconvenience.
 
No I haven't. I acknowledge they'd bring more money to the conference. I don't care. They're not worth it.
 
UH will get the Big 12 invite just as soon there program starts tanking and UT is sure they can win some easy conference games.
 
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Duff Man said:
You are warping the argument and you know it.

The Pac-12 is losing ground to other P5 conferences on a yearly basis, both in TV money and in visibility. Adding teams like OU and UT would change that for the better, without a doubt. You and others have chosen to brush off the widening gap between the Pac-12 and other conferences as mostly a minor inconvenience.
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Other side of the coin: History tends to repeat itself. We already expanded with UT once and ended up regretting it, and agreed with Dr. Tom it was a mistake. We can hope the Cali schools would be the counter balance, but.... I just don't want to be in the same conference with those guys again.
 
Scotch said:
Other side of the coin: History tends to repeat itself. We already expanded with UT once and ended up regretting it, and agreed with Dr. Tom it was a mistake. We can hope the Cali schools would be the counter balance, but.... I just don't want to be in the same conference at those guys again.
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A completely reasonable viewpoint, provided you realize the Pac-12 will hard-pressed to stay at 12 forever in the current landscape. There will need to be expansion at some point.
 
Buffnik said:
How great would a Pac-14 via Oklahoma & Houston be?
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Oklahoma is just as bad as UT. They're just more sneaky about it. UT is all up in everybody's face, while OU is stabbing everybody in the back. No thanks to either one.
 
Duff Man said:
A completely reasonable viewpoint, provided you realize the Pac-12 will hard-pressed to stay at 12 forever in the current landscape. There will need to be expansion at some point.
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I'm aware and have no doubt expansion will happen, and also realize when it comes to UT we may have no choice down the road.
 
Texas is not worth a couple extra million dollars a year per school. This has been pointed out before, but it bears repeating: they killed the swc, they killed the original big 12, and they are strangling the current big 12. They would kill the pac 12 if we let them in. No thank you. The second we let either texas or oklahoma in, or god forbid both if them, we get their loudmouthed alums, texas politics, and sense of entitlement as a side dish.

Seriously, no ****ing way. Let texas destroy the SEC or the ACC or go independent and find how little people outside of texas care about texas.
 
Texas should just go independent and stop ****ing up the Big 12(er...10). But it is kinda fun watching that conference be ****ed up for so long...
 
This commentary from Fertitta leads me to believe that Charlie Strong had no chance even if he had a good year. UT knew about the financial incentives UH gave to Herman if UH got into the B12. UT's leadership (in their typical snake-like fashion) made UH believe that UH had a shot at the B12. Then, after the meeting, UH realized UT ****ed them. UH still didn't put the plan together in their minds. In reality, UT wanted Herman all along and made their interest known to his reps. The transition from Strong to Herman would be very smooth from all of the slime. I am so happy we don't have to deal with those jokers any longer.
 
So wait a sec... UT knows that Herman gets a big payout if UH gets a B12 invite. They know they want to hire him. They dangle an invite and then pull the rug out from under UH's feet and then swoop in and hire Herman.
I don't know whether to be impressed or repulsed.
 
sackman said:
So wait a sec... UT knows that Herman gets a big payout if UH gets a B12 invite. They know they want to hire him. They dangle an invite and then pull the rug out from under UH's feet and then swoop in and hire Herman.
I don't know whether to be impressed or repulsed.
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It's just Texas.
 
Duff Man said:
You are warping the argument and you know it.

The Pac-12 is losing ground to other P5 conferences on a yearly basis, both in TV money and in visibility. Adding teams like OU and UT would change that for the better, without a doubt. You and others have chosen to brush off the widening gap between the Pac-12 and other conferences as mostly a minor inconvenience.
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With demographic changes, I'm not sure PAC 12 is in as bad a spot as you suggest. Twelve teams dividing up half the United States doesnt suck to me.
 
Creebuzz said:
With demographic changes, I'm not sure PAC 12 is in as bad a spot as you suggest. Twelve teams dividing up half the United States doesnt suck to me.
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Speaking of demographic changes, as I look at recruiting I'm starting to feel like the conference is going to need to lock down Nevada/Las Vegas as Pac-12 country.
 
Buffnik said:
Speaking of demographic changes, as I look at recruiting I'm starting to feel like the conference is going to need to lock down Nevada/Las Vegas as Pac-12 country.
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Do you honestly think it isnt already? Id bet that asu, usc and ucla have more fans in vegas than unlv or nevada does.
 
BuffsRising said:
Do you honestly think it isnt already? Id bet that asu, usc and ucla have more fans in vegas than unlv or nevada does.
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Appears to be a place that programs from other conferences believe they can go to and compete well for recruits against the Pac-12.
 
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