Anyone here have inside information from players, coaches, internet sites, boosters, anything?
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Highlander27
Well-Known Member
As a fan, can you trust the future of your team to Embree who just lost to a I-AA TEAM, two MWC teams, one of which hung 69 pts on us? The fundamental flaws have been apparent since day 1 at Hawaii. They are still there. It's only getting worse. Time for a change.
Players are good enough to compete. They are just coached so badly they have 0 football IQ. They aren't in the right spots.
I disagree. We've recruited average to decent FBS talent. Something is profoundly wrong...I'm beginning to wonder if there are problems between coaches and the staff is imploding and/or the kids don't care.
Darian3Hagan
'89 Player of the Year
He is coaching the buffs
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
The talent level is more than enough to be 3-0 right now and not have Fresno put 69 on you (and capable of putting up 125 if they wanted to). Stop with the bull****. This team is pathetically coached.
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Timbuff10
Member
I am an Embree backer but it is time for him to go or at least announce that he will not be the coach next year... The thing I just don't get is why this staff of experienced coaches in the pros and college, are not able to coach these kids up? You see it all over the field and during the whole game. Mistake after mistake that can be attributed to bad coaching. Is our staff out of touch or are they too advanced for the college game with all their NFL experience? Is it the players? Have they given up on the coaches?
Just too many questions to overcome at any rate. Time to scrape it and start over fresh!
Just too many questions to overcome at any rate. Time to scrape it and start over fresh!
BuffaloChuck
Member
Don't forget - Fresno only has 65 players suited up, too. All of them played by the start of the 4th Qtr, according to their paper.
When Embree took over the talent was not here. Hawk's recruiting had steadily declined over his last four years. Yes his recruiting rankings in some of those years was respectable/competitive but virtually all the guys responsible for moving the ratings up were high risk guys who weren't around by the time Embree got here.
You could use that as an excuse right now. This team has very few seniors and none playing well enough to be considered credible as leaders. The junior class is close to as bad. The roster that Embree inherited was small, slow, lacking skills, and undeveloped.
Even with his short time Embrees first class was a step up. The kids weren't world beaters but they were athletically competitive to what other PAC schools recruited, the second class even moreso plus a few standouts like Crawley, Powell, Wright, etc.
If we were getting pounded (as I sure we will be) by Oregon or SC or Furd or even a Washington which was a bowl team last year the no upperclassmen, limited talent argument would be valid. Trouble is that that is no excuse for showing up not ready to play against a CSU team that has recruited well below the Buffs in all aspects the last few years. It absolutely doesn't make sense against a mid-level Sac State team and then looking like a jr. high team against a Fresno team that was bad enough to get their coach fired last year tops it (so far.)
The problem is that this team has flat out quit. They gagged against CSU, they let Sac State take it away from them and yesterday they didn't even bother to show up.
You could use that as an excuse right now. This team has very few seniors and none playing well enough to be considered credible as leaders. The junior class is close to as bad. The roster that Embree inherited was small, slow, lacking skills, and undeveloped.
Even with his short time Embrees first class was a step up. The kids weren't world beaters but they were athletically competitive to what other PAC schools recruited, the second class even moreso plus a few standouts like Crawley, Powell, Wright, etc.
If we were getting pounded (as I sure we will be) by Oregon or SC or Furd or even a Washington which was a bowl team last year the no upperclassmen, limited talent argument would be valid. Trouble is that that is no excuse for showing up not ready to play against a CSU team that has recruited well below the Buffs in all aspects the last few years. It absolutely doesn't make sense against a mid-level Sac State team and then looking like a jr. high team against a Fresno team that was bad enough to get their coach fired last year tops it (so far.)
The problem is that this team has flat out quit. They gagged against CSU, they let Sac State take it away from them and yesterday they didn't even bother to show up.
Dunken
Member
WRONG...... CU hired a tight ends and running backs coach, there is zero experience as being a head coach on this staff...
LongHaulBuff
Club Member
Agree with this entire statement. The last sentence is the whole problem. You have two top 20 dbs and you are getting torched by Sac ST and Frenso St. That is bull****. I tried to say wait until the end of the year but after last night forget it. I now have my torch and pitchfork.:devil::gun:
And virtually no experience as a coordinator. Brown had a co-coordinator position, the rest had never been coordinatiors at any level.
Another and potentially bigger issue is that Embree and EB had both been out of the college game as well for a number of years. Not only did they not have experience being the "man in charge" they also were disconnected with working with 18-22 year old kids. If you don't think there is a huge difference between pro players and college players just look at the number of head coaches who were highly successful at one level and bombed at the other. This isn't because of the talent difference, it is because college players are not the same mentally and emotionally as pro players. What works with bunch of guys who have earned contracts and can be cut and replaced at will doesn't work with a bunch of guys trying to stay eligible who you recruited.
Timbuff10
Member
No, im100% dead on RIGHT! This staff here at CU has more years of coaching in the pros than any other staff in college football. I never said they had a bunch of fired HCs walking the sidelines. These guys know what good football is at the higest levels which makes it perplexing when you see the results we have here.
Last
Member
You're right about something that doesn't matter. Good job.
Timbuff10
Member
get lost and go research why this staff was hired. former buffs with NFL cred was supposed to dominate recruiting and make up for their weak areas.
So this thread started asking about inside info, but got diverted by ADD and, do you like ice cream? I do, Rocky Road is probably...ooooh, Psych is on, I like that show, it reminds me...oh an airplane...
boydbuff
Club Member
Yep-that didn't work out too well for us. I think they could have been a recruiting machine if they could have shown progress on the field. But with the product they are putting on the field-that theory goes out the window.
And apparently their NFL experience just doesn't translate well to the college level-or maybe it's just that they don't have any coordinator experience in the NFL or college level. Hell if I know why but they are seemingly incompetent-all of them.
But NFL experience is so freaking important in college football. I just don't even
Really? The post started out asking about inside info. A little good natured ribbing is in order sine no one directly addressed the post's question. I mean, it's like...wait, what's my cat doing? He's so cute...Im hungry...nice breeze tonight...:lol:
College and the NFL are two vastly different games, from training, to teaching, to game planning, to play calling. The players need to be handled and coached completely differently. While the concepts are the same, implementation is night and day. Unfortunately, it appears that the coaches lost too much of that knowledge while in the NFL, or just aren't applying it.
I've heard a lot of people say the biggest difference is the hashmarks. In the NFL they're so much thinner so playing to the wide side of the field is less important. Whereas in college the wide side of the field can be huge and speed can play a much bigger factor.
What you said is true too, was just wanting to add that.
Yep. NFL games are won in the middle of the field. That's why a big QB who can stand in the pocket and zip throws is at a premium. In college, the game is won at the edges and a QB who can scoot changes everything. It's why Chip Kelly designed his Oregon offense the way he did -- an offense that would never work in the NFL.
Tim Tebow was a much better college QB than Tom Brady.
Timbuff10
Member
Well getting back to the inside info and where I was originally going with the whole "pro experience" idea, I think what may be happening is you are mixing a bunch of Pro coaches with deep experience in that medium with college players who are just out of highschool as true freshman. If the schemes are a bit too difficult that would contribute to the problems we are seeing. Anyway, I'll leave it at that as this may or may not be true.