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Interesting Conference Realignment Piece

It is only a matter of time until we have four 16 team super conferences. SEC needs two more, ACC needs two more, Big 10 needs 2 more, and Pac-12 needs 4. The Big 12 will implode sooner or later and those 10 teams will fill the remaining slots.

Give me Tech, TCU, OU and OSU. Let UT and Baylor go destroy the SEC. The Big 10 can have KU and KSU. ISU and WVU can go on to the ACC.
 
Well that was a complete waste of time. SDSU, UNLV, Fresno State, or Boise State replacing Oregon State and/or Washington State in the Pac-12? Puhleeze! I see that this was charleshustle's very first post. Methinks he is the author of that piece. Don't waste your time giving him more clicks.
 
sackman said:
Bulls.hit

I keep hearing this as though it's some kind of God given truth. It's not. There's nothing that is forcing the Pac 12 to expand. The other conferences can all go to 16 teams and that means absolutely nothing to us.
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We know.
 
sackman said:
Bulls.hit

I keep hearing this as though it's some kind of God given truth. It's not. There's nothing that is forcing the Pac 12 to expand. The other conferences can all go to 16 teams and that means absolutely nothing to us.
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There is actually quite a bit forcing the Pac-12 to expand when looking at the financial issues the conference is having with exposure, DTV and keeping up with the SEC and Big-10.
 
sackman said:
Apparently, some of "us" don't because it keeps getting brought up.
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You either keep up with pack or you leave yourself vulnerable to getting left behind. The fact that consolidation is happening only shows that the 16 team conferences are coming. You and I may be happy with the current set up, but that doesn't mean it stays that way forever. The G5 teams know it is happening, that is why they are all scrambling trying to get into a P5 conference.

I expect the national playoff to only accelerate this process. Ignoring the national consolidation is just sticking your head in the sand and I don't expect the Pac-12 to do that.
 
Pac is going to get forced into expansion if they don't figure out their tv network. Today they are already missing out on millions per team that other conferences are getting.
 
How is expanding to 16 teams "keeping up with the pack"?

There is this disconnect somewhere that says if everybody else is at 16 teams, that somehow forces us to do the same.

The size of the SEC has no bearing on the PAC 12.
 
GoBuffs08 said:
Pac is going to get forced into expansion if they don't figure out their tv network. Today they are already missing out on millions per team that other conferences are getting.
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How does the TV network influence the size of the conference? I see the two as completely independent of one another. Two separate issues.
 
sackman said:
How is expanding to 16 teams "keeping up with the pack"?

There is this disconnect somewhere that says if everybody else is at 16 teams, that somehow forces us to do the same.

The size of the SEC has no bearing on the PAC 12.
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Adding Texas and OU would almost instantly put us on DTV. So that would be ONE example of keeping up with the pack.
 
If anything expanding right now would be tougher:

Dear Oklahoma, please consider joining our conference.

Dear Pac12, we would like to inquire about your network revenue and TV availability.

Dear Oklahoma, erm about that. We were kinda hoping your fanbase would be strong enough to get us on people's TVs and in sports bars.
 
sackman said:
How does the TV network influence the size of the conference? I see the two as completely independent of one another. Two separate issues.
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Assuming DTV never picks up Pac network how does the Pac increase their tv market without adding a Texas market?
 
onealcd said:
Adding Texas and OU would almost instantly put us on DTV. So that would be ONE example of keeping up with the pack.
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I don't see any scenario where Texas leaves a defunct Big12 and doesn't get a huge hit in revenue since they won't be the 800 lb gorilla anymore. Can't wait to see it.
 
sackman said:
How is expanding to 16 teams "keeping up with the pack"?

There is this disconnect somewhere that says if everybody else is at 16 teams, that somehow forces us to do the same.

The size of the SEC has no bearing on the PAC 12.
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This was true when you and I were kids.

But now, we're in a era with a consensus national champion and every year brings increasing clamoring for homogeneity between conferences -- cries go up regularly from the media, from fans and from the stakeholders who actually matter (e.g. ADs, coaches and BMDs). Since all conferences are now playing for the same prize, those criers want the same academic standards, same number of conference games, same rules for transfers, same rules for recruiting, same rules about satellite camps, etc... It's only a matter of time before those same parties start screaming that conferences with less than 14 members have an unfair advantage.
 
Bufffan68 said:
I don't see any scenario where Texas leaves a defunct Big12 and doesn't get a huge hit in revenue since they won't be the 800 lb gorilla anymore. Can't wait to see it.
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Texas would add revenue to the conference there is no doubt about that
 
onealcd said:
Texas would add revenue to the conference there is no doubt about that
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For sure...but I think it'd be a net loss for them as they get a larger % of the rev sharing than other schools...I think the PAC12 is equal share per school.
 
onealcd said:
Texas would add revenue to the conference there is no doubt about that
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Texas would also add 3 additional dingleberries.

CU would then be stuck in the same division as Texas, resulting in fewer games in California, where many of our alumi reside.

Any support for Texas to join the P12 is an insult to the majority of our OOS CU alumni base and another blow against California recruiting.

just say no to any idea that involves whoring out CU to any Texas-centric Pac16 East brothel. What part of the 1996-2013 Big12 experience do people not understand?
 
Skidmark said:
Texas would also add 3 additional dingleberries.

CU would then be stuck in the same division as Texas, resulting in fewer games in California, where many of our alumi reside.

Any support for Texas to join the P12 is an insult to the majority of our OOS CU alumni base and another blow against California recruiting.

just say no to any idea that involves whoring out CU to any Texas-centric Pac16 East brothel. What part of the 1996-2013 Big12 experience do people not understand?
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Well I haven't said I would like Texas in the Pac-12 so I don't get why you would attack me. Larry Scott probably doesn't care if we add Texas and it pisses off Colorado fans if it helps with the rest of the conference revenues and outlook for the future. Obviously it would hurt CU to some degree but having schools in two of the biggest 3 recruiting hotbeds in the country can also help.
 
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