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Is this situation fixable?

SuperD

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Serious question. We have been so bad, for so long, that I'm not sure it's possible to get back where we were historically. We've never been a football factory but we were Top 25 - 35 most years. My concern is we are so far behind in almost every area, in a league where EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM is investing in football, even Wazzou has been able to announce a facility upgrade and pony up big money for a coach. I'm not talking being a 1 win team every year, I think that is fixable. My concern is being relegated to Kentucky, Duke, or Ol Miss status in the SEC, e.g. best we can hope for is 5-6 wins a year, only 2 or 3 of which are conference wins.

Even if we scrap this staff, we're looking at another rebuild cycle and another lost recruiting class, and still have gaping holes in LB and OL depth charts, and no evidence that things are fixed at WR or QB. Realistically we're looking at something like 9-10 straight losing seasons now because I think things aren't going to be much better. Our national reputation has been destroyed, and the typical reaction people have when discussing CU football has gone from shock and dismay that things are this bad to open mockery and laughter. This has to be the bottom right...but every time we say that the next year is worse.

The only way out that I can see is if the administration makes it a top priority to fix with massive improvements to the support infrastructure and overall leadership and concern for building a successful program, and lets face it, that isn't happening any time soon with the folks in place. Plus there is not much historical evidence that whoever they bring in once these guys finally retire is going to care any more than our current crop of "leaders."
 
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If schools like Boise St can come out of nowhere and put together a stellar program with less, than we can come back. However, without a change of culutre at the top, I think we'll continue to spin our wheels at the bottom with a decent season here and there.
 
The right guy coming in, able to pull together a decent first class, taking the talent in the 2012 class plus the freshman QBs we (think we) have coming in next season, able to assemble a competent staff, and who gets all 80+ kids wanting to run through brick walls for him, could be .500 with this team.
 
HouBuff said:
If schools like Boise St can come out of nowhere and put together a stellar program with less, than we can come back. However, without a change of culutre at the top, I think we'll continue to spin our wheels at the bottom with a decent season here and there.
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Do you know how long Boise has been working at becoming a player in CFB? I graduated in 1986. They were pushing back then. I played the last two years of HS FB in western Washington and Boise was making an across the board effort then to become a player. It was part of their recruiting pitch. Granted, CU starts from a much better place, but it isn't like Boise simply decided ten years ago to make a run.

Biose had to come up from the lower divisions to do it, so your point is well taken, but mine is you have to have a long term, across the board, plan, with support from the top down to get to where CU should be. Oregon St. and Cal did it after having been patsies for decades, CU can do it too, but the kind of leadership needed isn't there right now.
 
absolutely, but we need to stop thinking about getting a home run hire. We don't need to get a high risk high reward coach, we can get a mid-level coach, who knows how to rebuild and get back into bowls games and start building up the talent on the team and have excellent position coaches. Then we can take the next step and get gamebreakers on the team. We might need new coaches or just a few coordinators on each side of the ball, but I think the most important thing is to start building a respectable program.
 
tante said:
absolutely, but we need to stop thinking about getting a home run hire. We don't need to get a high risk high reward coach, we can get a mid-level coach, who knows how to rebuild and get back into bowls games and start building up the talent on the team and have excellent position coaches. Then we can take the next step and get gamebreakers on the team. We might need new coaches or just a few coordinators on each side of the ball, but I think the most important thing is to start building a respectable program.
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I agree. Hello Sonny Dykes or Gary Anderson.
 
Of course it's fixable. We just need to get a real coach in here that can recruit.
 
1. I disagree with one of your initial premises. We have been a football factory. In the late 80s/early-mid 90s, we won big, we had a ton of players who got onto and contributed on NFL teams; we mattered on the recruiting trail.

2. Unfortunately, we yearned for those days too badly and got what we have now.

What can we do?

1. Get real on facility improvements. What are we going to do? When are we going to do it? The lack of concrete improvements in this area has been an abject failure.

2. Get real about money. Yes, the P12 dough is significant. How is it being spent? What percentage of those revenues being spent on facilities, unprofitable sports, and academics?

3. Get real about coaching. The next coach will need to be well paid, experienced, and ready to rebuild and win. They cannot let their frustrations overcome them. They must unify the locker room. They must beat the teams with worse talent, we need to beat teams who have similar talent, we need to shock teams who have better talent.

Until these happen, we are toast.

SuperD said:
Serious question. We have been so bad, for so long, that I'm not sure it's possible to get back where we were historically. We've never been a football factory but we were Top 25 - 35 most years. My concern is we are so far behind in almost every area, in a league where EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM is investing in football, even Wazzou has been able to announce a facility upgrade and pony up big money for a coach. I'm not talking being a 1 win team every year, I think that is fixable. My concern is being relegated to Kentucky, Duke, or Ol Miss status in the SEC, e.g. best we can hope for is 5-6 wins a year, only 2 or 3 of which are conference wins.

Even if we scrap this staff, we're looking at another rebuild cycle and another lost recruiting class, and still have gaping holes in LB and OL depth charts, and no evidence that things are fixed at WR or QB. Realistically we're looking at something like 9-10 straight losing seasons now because I think things aren't going to be much better. Our national reputation has been destroyed, and the typical reaction people have when discussing CU football has gone from shock and dismay that things are this bad to open mockery and laughter. This has to be the bottom right...but every time we say that the next year is worse.

The only way out that I can see is if the administration makes it a top priority to fix with massive improvements to the support infrastructure and overall leadership and concern for building a successful program, and lets face it, that isn't happening any time soon with the folks in place. Plus there is not much historical evidence that whoever they bring in once these guys finally retire is going to care any more than our current crop of "leaders."
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Everything is fixable. It just depends on whether you have the resources to do so.
 
manhattanbuf said:
1. I disagree with one of your initial premises. We have been a football factory. In the late 80s/early-mid 90s, we won big, we had a ton of players who got onto and contributed on NFL teams; we mattered on the recruiting trail.

2. Unfortunately, we yearned for those days too badly and got what we have now.

What can we do?

1. Get real on facility improvements. What are we going to do? When are we going to do it? The lack of concrete improvements in this area has been an abject failure.

2. Get real about money. Yes, the P12 dough is significant. How is it being spent? What percentage of those revenues being spent on facilities, unprofitable sports, and academics?

3. Get real about coaching. The next coach will need to be well paid, experienced, and ready to rebuild and win. They cannot let their frustrations overcome them. They must unify the locker room. They must beat the teams with worse talent, we need to beat teams who have similar talent, we need to shock teams who have better talent.

Until these happen, we are toast.
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We yearned?

[video=youtube;wA4oJfNe-DU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA4oJfNe-DU[/video]
 
Buffalo Brad said:
Without a doubt it is fixable. The question comes down to how badly the Admin wants to fix it.
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There are very few programs in the country with a national championship, and a campus as beautiful as Colorado. Very few.

With real leadership CU should be competing for Pac titles yearly, at a minimum...

CU should NOT be a hard place to win at. Not even close.
 
Fixable, but keeping Embree another season has far bigger implications than just delaying the process of digging out of this hole by 1 year.
 
The right leader can turn things around very quickly. You see it all the time. This is why it is so stupid to stay with the wrong guy.
 
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