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Is this sustainable?

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I'm enjoying this basketball run we are on so much! I want it to evolve from a "fad" to a "culture." So, my question is, can Tad sustain this success and even improve upon it? Probably because of numbers, recruiting just seems to be at a stand still. I know there is Dorsey and Davis hanging out there but I get the feeling from posts I've read that they are both kind of a long shot. Hopefully Scott returns for his senior year. If he does, next year could be special. But after that, we begin losing guys. Will Tad be able to re-load? Also, does CU have a chance to even elevate from where we are now to that elite level?
 
No reason that this isn't sustainable.

In fact, the interesting thing with CU is that in basketball we're much better positioned than in football for recruiting. Places like Chicago and other midwestern cities put out a ton of basketball talent. As CU is seen as an annual tourney team and continues to achieve success, the Buffs are seen as a national program and those players come here. Being in the middle of the country is a big deal. As examples, look at what that does for Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis and Ohio State.

It's much easier for us to become that than it is for a Washington or for many of the other Pac-12 programs.

Further to this, I loved seeing a Nuggets preseason game at the Keg. We're within a half hour of an NBA city. Being in a college city but close to at Top 15 metro is a big deal. Plus, unlike in football, becoming the most popular basketball team in the state of Colorado is attainable over the NBA franchise.

If CU keeps Tad and continues to fund the recruiting budget and facilities at a high level, this program is a sleeping giant.
 
I think it is as well - expectations have risen. You've got to get into the seniors and super seniors who were at the school when cu DIDNT win 20+ games a year, and either dance or get f#&ked out of a bid.
 
I think it's sustainable. It'd be easier if Roberson and Dinwiddie would've stayed, but this is CB these days.
 
It will last as long as Tad stays here. After that, all bets are off.
 
sackman said:
It will last as long as Tad stays here. After that, all bets are off.
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I don't see why that would be the case.

With every year of success, it becomes less "Tad's Program" and more "CU Basketball".
 
Buffnik said:
I don't see why that would be the case.

With every year of success, it becomes less "Tad's Program" and more "CU Basketball".
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While that's true, one also can look at programs with history that dwarfs ours/great facilities and see they've made their silly hires that caused to decline. We've got the pieces in place for success, but ultimately it's about finding a coach who gets it done. Even with facilities and respect, a coaching hire will always be a gamble. Fingers crossed that we're getting way ahead of ourselves on this front and have 15-20 years of Tad finding success.
 
I think a better question is: "Can the program take the next step?" It's definitely possible CU is a regular tourney wins, but need to advance in the tourney to really take the next step.
 
After these next 2 seasons, we likely have a core of Gordon, J-Hop, Tre, Dom, DT, Fortune, Tory, & possibly King in '16/'17. That's a veteran rotation filled with top 150 players who will have all likely experienced the Dance multiple times. With only moderate growth, the roster is set up for the next 3 years to make deep runs through March depending on match-ups & injury luck.

The '15 class is already a success with Fortune. It's not inconceivable that '15 recruits in the 75-150 range didn't see us as attractive because of the youth/depth/quality of the roster. It's just as conceivable that it will be appealing next year to a stud like Davis, especially if Indiana is our main comp. I like our chances of outperforming IU this year.

Still, even without Davis, this roster has 3 good shots at a deep tourney run, which will undoubtedly sustain if not elevate the program.

Unlikely Caveats:

- If Scott and/or XJ were to leave early for the NBA then that means we either made that deep tourney run or they were so good that they go 1st rd. How many schools, outside of the blue bloods, will be able to claim that many high draft picks in the last 5 yrs?

- If Boyle were to go, it would only be to a blue blood, and they would need to see at least a Sweet 16 before putting on the full-court press. In that event, we have Chauncey on speed-dial. Otherwise, we would have one of the most attractive jobs available.

TL:DR we good, we real good.
 
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sackman said:
It will last as long as Tad stays here. After that, all bets are off.
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If Tad leaves, CU will be a very desirable destination for coaches IMO. We will have the pick of a lot of good coaches, whether RG can identify and hire the right one remains to be seen.
 
I'm not sure I would want Chauncey to cut his teeth here. I know some guys jump to nba coaching after their career is over but how often does it happen at the college level, especially at a perennial tourney team?
 
CU went 30 years between Sox and Bz and had five failed coaches in between. Once Tad leaves, all bets are off. This pieces are in place for a long, successful run, but all those pieces mean jack squat if the guy in charge isn't up to the task.
 
sackman said:
CU went 30 years between Sox and Bz and had five failed coaches in between. Once Tad leaves, all bets are off. This pieces are in place for a long, successful run, but all those pieces mean jack squat if the guy in charge isn't up to the task.
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This. I think CU has become a good job and we can attract coaching talent, but that's not easy to identify. There's definitely some luck involved. Hopefully Tad is here to stay.
 
CUFan said:
This. I think CU has become a good job and we can attract coaching talent, but that's not easy to identify. There's definitely some luck involved. Hopefully Tad is here to stay.
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I'm not concerned about Tad leaving for another job. Some day, he will want to retire, though. Hopefully that's not for another 20 years at least.


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tante said:
I'm not sure I would want Chauncey to cut his teeth here. I know some guys jump to nba coaching after their career is over but how often does it happen at the college level, especially at a perennial tourney team?
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Closest example I can think of is Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State...he spent some time in the Timberwolves front office before taking the ISU job but AFAIK he did not have any coaching experience...
 
Yes.

A better question, IMO, "is it sustainable if the football team returns to national prominence?" will the same level of fan support still be there? would Boyle still be able to recruit 4* talent if CU was again perceived as a "football school"? if Boyle leaves, would CU be able to attract a quality MBBHC to a football school.

hope so.
 
BuffAlum2007 said:
Closest example I can think of is Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State...he spent some time in the Timberwolves front office before taking the ISU job but AFAIK he did not have any coaching experience...
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You are correct.
 
hokiehead said:
Yes.

A better question, IMO, "is it sustainable if the football team returns to national prominence?" will the same level of fan support still be there? would Boyle still be able to recruit 4* talent if CU was again perceived as a "football school"? if Boyle leaves, would CU be able to attract a quality MBBHC to a football school.

hope so.
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I don't believe in "football school" and "basketball school" any more. Too many of the best athletic departments are achieving great success in both.

CU fans will always care more about football, but that's also true of Ohio State and Florida where they have Top 10 programs.
 
tante said:
I'm not sure I would want Chauncey to cut his teeth here. I know some guys jump to nba coaching after their career is over but how often does it happen at the college level, especially at a perennial tourney team?
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BuffAlum2007 said:
Closest example I can think of is Fred Hoiberg at Iowa State...he spent some time in the Timberwolves front office before taking the ISU job but AFAIK he did not have any coaching experience...
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7 of last year's Sweet 16 teams had coaches who played in the NBA: Kevin Ollie, Billy Donovan, Tony Bennett, Cuonzo Martin, Fred Hoiberg, Jonny Dawkins, & Steve Alford.

Most were assistants first. No reason why Chauncey couldn't replicate what Hoiberg & Ollie, who was only an assistant for 2 years, have done. His career blows all of theirs away, which can count for a lot in the recruiting world.

Again, only way Tad leaves is if he takes this program beyond just perennial tourney team. Otherwise, blue bloods will find someone shinier. In that event, we have a highly desirable HC job.
 
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Buffnik said:
No reason that this isn't sustainable.

In fact, the interesting thing with CU is that in basketball we're much better positioned than in football for recruiting. Places like Chicago and other midwestern cities put out a ton of basketball talent. As CU is seen as an annual tourney team and continues to achieve success, the Buffs are seen as a national program and those players come here. Being in the middle of the country is a big deal. As examples, look at what that does for Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Memphis and Ohio State.

It's much easier for us to become that than it is for a Washington or for many of the other Pac-12 programs.

Further to this, I loved seeing a Nuggets preseason game at the Keg. We're within a half hour of an NBA city. Being in a college city but close to at Top 15 metro is a big deal. Plus, unlike in football, becoming the most popular basketball team in the state of Colorado is attainable over the NBA franchise.

If CU keeps Tad and continues to fund the recruiting budget and facilities at a high level, this program is a sleeping giant.
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Disagree on the bold. Denver isn't just a Broncos first town. Its a pro sports first town. The Avalanche vs. DU Hockey is a good example. DU has been a good program over the years that has won National Titles, yet get nowhere near the same amount of press the Avs do.
 
sackman said:
CU went 30 years between Sox and Bz and had five failed coaches in between. Once Tad leaves, all bets are off. This pieces are in place for a long, successful run, but all those pieces mean jack squat if the guy in charge isn't up to the task.
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Patton wasn't a failure. His last season certainly was, but not overall. If he had the same support from the AD Tad does now he would have had similar results, especially in recruiting.
 
hokiehead said:
Yes.

A better question, IMO, "is it sustainable if the football team returns to national prominence?" will the same level of fan support still be there? would Boyle still be able to recruit 4* talent if CU was again perceived as a "football school"? if Boyle leaves, would CU be able to attract a quality MBBHC to a football school.

hope so.
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If anything, football being good would create more basketball fans. People are always going to support a winner in Boulder and every other college town.
 
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