ITT: We Discuss Students & Mike Bohn (For Some Reason)

[Slurpeee]

If they keep up this level of play, maybe our self-proclaimed greatest student section will be more than 2/3 full for one of the remaining home games. ... Unless of course its too cold, or they have a test, or they don't like the ticket policy etc etc

I wish our students were as good at filling up their allotted seats, as they are at telling me how great of fans they are.

(BTW: I'm not referring to you "first 5-10 row" students. You all do indeed rock. Your deserving to be up there with the best. I'm referring the the other 80% of your fellow student fans... Face it, they are average and fair weather at best)

 

[NWD Buff]

Students have been a huge disappointment this year, no doubt.

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[Darth Snow]

If they keep up this level of play, maybe our self-proclaimed greatest student section will be more than 2/3 full for one of the remaining home games. ... Unless of course its too cold, or they have a test, or they don't like the ticket policy etc etc

I wish our students were as good at filling up their allotted seats, as they are at telling me how great of fans they are.

(BTW: I'm not referring to you "first 5-10 row" students. You all do indeed rock. Your deserving to be up there with the best. I'm referring the the other 80% of your fellow student fans... Face it, they are average and fair weather at best)

outside of the die hards... our students suck. really disappointing. They have shown up for one game this year. They were better our last ****ing year in the big 12 for god sakes.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Definitely disappointed in the students. I know the epic snow in the high country is hurting attendance. In Colorado, there is sometimes too many things to focus your attention on. For me, this time of year is always basketball regardless of snow, but I know for others that is different. I do know that the UofA game will be huge and it will be packed which will be great, just wish it was every game like it was last year or two years ago.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

One thing I would like to say about the student section though, the ones that do show up, show up all the time. They cheers, jeers, and taunts have become much more cohesive and you can definitely tell on TV and radio.

They are also really starting to get into the head of opponents. The past two games both players for WSU and UW that fouled out responded to the CUnit on the walk back to their seat.

 

[sackman]

Students really need to step up. It's starting to be very noticable the difference between the attendance in the student section and the rest of the arena.

 

[sackman]

Interesting side-note - Mike Bohn was in the house last night. Highly visible. Walking around the concourse, actually going out on the court before the game to shake hands with a couple players.

 

[BuffDog]

One thing I would like to say about the student section though, the ones that do show up, show up all the time. They cheers, jeers, and taunts have become much more cohesive and you can definitely tell on TV and radio.

They are also really starting to get into the head of opponents. The past two games both players for WSU and UW that fouled out responded to the CUnit on the walk back to their seat.

The student section seems to be running at about 50-60% of capacity as of late which is a disappointment. The core that is there has been great and I would like to see them recruit others like them to the game. Unfortunately some/many of the ones that show up for the big games aren't as good of fans as the hardcore student section. As an example, at the KU game the FU - KU chant came out and when I looked at the student section the bottom half of the student section wasn't participating and were looking up to the lame part of the student section that was.

 

[cubuffs85]

If they keep up this level of play, maybe our self-proclaimed greatest student section will be more than 2/3 full for one of the remaining home games. ... Unless of course its too cold, or they have a test, or they don't like the ticket policy etc etc

I wish our students were as good at filling up their allotted seats, as they are at telling me how great of fans they are.

(BTW: I'm not referring to you "first 5-10 row" students. You all do indeed rock. Your deserving to be up there with the best. I'm referring the the other 80% of your fellow student fans... Face it, they are average and fair weather at best)

Pretty sure this won't be an issue against UofA, only one other remaining home game.

 

[cubuffs85]

Students have been a huge disappointment this year, no doubt.

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Huge disappointment? I'd say relatively speaking, they aren't what they were last year. But all things considered given the illustrious tradition of Buffs basketball, it's not that bad.

 

[sackman]

Huge disappointment? I'd say relatively speaking, they aren't what they were last year. But all things considered given the illustrious tradition of Buffs basketball, it's not that bad.

They set a standard last year. They're not living up to that standard. That's a disappointment.

The thing that I don't get is the fact that the basketball team is as good this year as it was last year. Maybe better. So it's not an issue of supporting a good product on the court. I suspect, although I have no way of knowing for sure, that it probably has something to do with the change from Mike Bohn to Rick George. Bohn was always pretty supportive of the students, and did a lot of stuff to get them engaged. I'm not sure RG is doing the same things. Maybe he is, and I'm not hearing about it or it's not having the same effect.

 

[cubuffs85]

They set a standard last year. They're not living up to that standard. That's a disappointment.

The thing that I don't get is the fact that the basketball team is as good this year as it was last year. Maybe better. So it's not an issue of supporting a good product on the court. I suspect, although I have no way of knowing for sure, that it probably has something to do with the change from Mike Bohn to Rick George. Bohn was always pretty supportive of the students, and did a lot of stuff to get them engaged. I'm not sure RG is doing the same things. Maybe he is, and I'm not hearing about it or it's not having the same effect.

I can get with it being a disappointment, I just think some people are blowing it out of proportion.

You talked about the team being just as good if not better, I think you have to do better than the status quo. You shouldn't see a dropoff from year 1 to year 2. The students have now seen a good basketball program but they haven't seen a "great" one. I hate playing the "if game" more than anyone but if Spencer hadn't gotten hurt and they were a ranked team right now, I think you'd see more enthusasism.

I do agree with you partially on the AD change. Bohn made more of an emphasis on including the band and students as part of the experience than maybe any AD in the country. And emphasizing attendance in terms of not doing the Vegas trip again hasn't given students as much incentitive IMO.

 

[cubuffs85]

Interesting side-note - Mike Bohn was in the house last night. Highly visible. Walking around the concourse, actually going out on the court before the game to shake hands with a couple players.

I wonder what he'll do with his lifetime supply of tickets, while he's at Cincy atleast?

 

[Darth Snow]

Cubuffs85 is wrong. outside of the die hards, the students suck. At least we have the die hards. /discussion.

 

[Buffnik]

They set a standard last year. They're not living up to that standard. That's a disappointment.

The thing that I don't get is the fact that the basketball team is as good this year as it was last year. Maybe better. So it's not an issue of supporting a good product on the court. I suspect, although I have no way of knowing for sure, that it probably has something to do with the change from Mike Bohn to Rick George. Bohn was always pretty supportive of the students, and did a lot of stuff to get them engaged. I'm not sure RG is doing the same things. Maybe he is, and I'm not hearing about it or it's not having the same effect.

I think we pretty much all agree that Bohn's strength as an AD was his outreach to students & the CU community. It was like having a superfan as Athletic Director. He loved the pageantry of college sports, from the students to the band to the other spirit squads, to the local businesses, to fans and families to the professors & university employees, etc., etc. It would be hard for RG to be as good at that aspect of the job. There aren't enough hours in the day to do all that he's been hired to do while maintaining Bohn's level on that other stuff.

 

[cubuffs85]

Cubuffs85 is wrong. outside of the die hards, the students suck. At least we have the die hards. /discussion.

Thanks I did just call them a "disappointment," I just think too much is being made about it based on last year.

 

[cubuffs85]

I think we pretty much all agree that Bohn's strength as an AD was his outreach to students & the CU community. It was like having a superfan as Athletic Director. He loved the pageantry of college sports, from the students to the band to the other spirit squads, to the local businesses, to fans and families to the professors & university employees, etc., etc. It would be hard for RG to be as good at that aspect of the job. There aren't enough hours in the day to do all that he's been hired to do while maintaining Bohn's level on that other stuff.

Not sure how many caught this but after he was introduced as UC AD, he was at the bball game throwing out t-shirts. And I thought, that is so Mike Bohn. UC has no idea what they're in for, they're going to love him.

 

[Quattro]

Not sure how many caught this but after he was introduced as UC AD, he was at the bball game throwing out t-shirts. And I thought, that is so Mike Bohn. UC has no idea what they're in for, they're going to love him.

Well, at least until they need new facilities for football

 

[Buffnik]

I can get with it being a disappointment, I just think some people are blowing it out of proportion.

You talked about the team being just as good if not better, I think you have to do better than the status quo. You shouldn't see a dropoff from year 1 to year 2. The students have now seen a good basketball program but they haven't seen a "great" one. I hate playing the "if game" more than anyone but if Spencer hadn't gotten hurt and they were a ranked team right now, I think you'd see more enthusasism.

I do agree with you partially on the AD change. Bohn made more of an emphasis on including the band and students as part of the experience than maybe any AD in the country. And emphasizing attendance in terms of not doing the Vegas trip again hasn't given students as much incentitive IMO.

To the bold: **** that.

Basketball team is 18-6 for the first time in like 50 years. If students can't get excited about how well this team is performing, then **** 'em. Sure, Tad and the university want them around and I welcome them from that level. But on a personal level -- **** 'em.

P.S. I made excuses for the students when they didn't show up as well this year for the early games. There aren't any excuses left to make. It's a mediocre student section, at best. The national accolades are based on a moment in time and have become a running joke that the CU student section still enjoys that rep.

 

[cubuffs85]

Well, at least until they need new facilities for football

They're in the middle of a renovation of Nippert I believe. Hawkins didn't workout, which I don't think is really is fault. That said, he's judged a lot on the basis of his hires in major sports and that hurts him. Embree was forced on him, but if they aren't going to let him hire the football coach, they might as well not have him. I had no problem with firing Bohn, but I'm still a Bohn fan.

 

[cubuffs85]

To the bold: **** that.

Basketball team is 18-6 for the first time in like 50 years. If students can't get excited about how well this team is performing, then **** 'em. Sure, Tad and the university want them around and I welcome them from that level. But on a personal level -- **** 'em.

P.S. I made excuses for the students when they didn't show up as well this year for the early games. There aren't any excuses left to make. It's a mediocre student section, at best. The national accolades are based on a moment in time and have become a running joke that the CU student section still enjoys that rep.

I'm disappointed. The team deserves more support than they are getting, but this is one of those "victim of your own success" things. If they hadn't gotten the support they did last year, we wouldn't be making too much of a big deal about this. And compared to past years, they are being supported better. I have to remind myself not everyone is as big of a sports and/or Buffs fan as we are.

I do agree with you Nik, there's a big difference between not showing up for Jackson State versus not showing up for UW even taking weather into account.

 

[NWD Buff]

Huge disappointment, and I stand by that comment. From the Kansas ticket debacle, to the wide swaths of empty seats at weekend conference games when everyone is in town and nobody has finals or anything to complain about. Our students are acting like the rich entitled ****s that rival fans make them out to be.

You would think after the free trips to Vegas and the Tourney, and the incredible record that the Buffs have posted at home, that there would be more demand than supply for those seats.

 

[Quattro]

To the bold: **** that.

Basketball team is 18-6 for the first time in like 50 years. If students can't get excited about how well this team is performing, then **** 'em. Sure, Tad and the university want them around and I welcome them from that level. But on a personal level -- **** 'em.

P.S. I made excuses for the students when they didn't show up as well this year for the early games. There aren't any excuses left to make. It's a mediocre student section, at best. The national accolades are based on a moment in time and have become a running joke that the CU student section still enjoys that rep.

Agree on all counts

They're in the middle of a renovation of Nippert I believe. Hawkins didn't workout, which I don't think is really is fault. That said, he's judged a lot on the basis of his hires in major sports and that hurts him. Embree was forced on him, but if they aren't going to let him hire the football coach, they might as well not have him. I had no problem with firing Bohn, but I'm still a Bohn fan.

How is Hawkins not working out not Bohn's fault? Yes, Hawkins was considered the hottest coach at the time. Yes, Hawkins had just beaten OU when Bohn extended him. You could make an argument that Hawkins getting a 5th year wasn't Bohn's fault, but not the rest. He made those choices to hire and extend Hawkins.

 

[cubuffs85]

Huge disappointment, and I stand by that comment. From the Kansas ticket debacle, to the wide swaths of empty seats at weekend conference games when everyone is in town and nobody has finals or anything to complain about. Our students are acting like the rich entitled ****s that rival fans make them out to be.

You would think after the free trips to Vegas and the Tourney, and the incredible record that the Buffs have posted at home, that there would be more demand than supply for those seats.

The KU ticket debacle bothered me more than anything. In a way, it's quite revealing when they don't include freebies anymore what happens.

 

[MtnBuff]

Well, at least until they need new facilities for football

Depends on who he has to work for. At CU he not only had to overcome his own weaknesses (everybody has some) but also Dr. Phil and Co. Not a good combination.

If he has an administration at Cincinati that is supportive of facilities development then MB will be fine. He may not be the driver but he can and will get the objectives of those above him done.

 

[Quattro]

Depends on who he has to work for. At CU he not only had to overcome his own weaknesses (everybody has some) but also Dr. Phil and Co. Not a good combination.

If he has an administration at Cincinati that is supportive of facilities development then MB will be fine. He may not be the driver but he can and will get the objectives of those above him done.

Benson and The Midget made it so Bohn couldn't design and release a facilities plan? Was there ever a vision other than Dick Tharp's from 14 years ago when Bohn was here? Benson and The Midget held him back, but Bohn had a lot of shortcomings when it came to football facilities and having a vision moving forward.

 

[cubuffs85]

Agree on all counts


How is Hawkins not working out not Bohn's fault? Yes, Hawkins was considered the hottest coach at the time. Yes, Hawkins had just beaten OU when Bohn extended him. You could make an argument that Hawkins getting a 5th year wasn't Bohn's fault, but not the rest. He made those choices to hire and extend Hawkins.

Because it was the right move at the time. Ultimately, it's a reflection on Bohn, I'm not disputing that. The extension wasn't even so bad at the time it happened. He was being pursued by other schools and many thought he had turned the corner with the 2nd season. No one foresaw everything coming part like it did. The extension was a terrible move in hindsight. And Bohn paid a price for that in the long run.

 

[cubuffs85]

Benson and The Midget made it so Bohn couldn't design and release a facilities plan? Was there ever a vision other than Dick Tharp's from 14 years ago when Bohn was here? Benson and The Midget held him back, but Bohn had a lot of shortcomings when it came to football facilities and having a vision moving forward.

This is a chicken and egg thing with success on the football field, he wouldn't have had as much trouble with the facilities plan.

 

[Quattro]

Because it was the right move at the time. Ultimately, it's a reflection on Bohn, I'm not disputing that. The extension wasn't even so bad at the time it happened. He was being pursued by other schools and many thought he had turned the corner with the 2nd season. No one foresaw everything coming part like it did. The extension was a terrible move in hindsight. And Bohn paid a price for that in the long run.

They may have been good at the time, but that does not change the fact that Bohn made those decisions and thus they are his fault. You'd be making a better argument that Embree wasn't Bohn's fault than you could with Hawkins.

 

[cubuffs85]

They may have been good at the time, but that does not change the fact that Bohn made those decisions and thus they are his fault. You'd be making a better argument that Embree wasn't Bohn's fault than you could with Hawkins.

We're arguing semantics, I said it reflects poorly on Hawkins the results. And he's held accountable. I already made the argument Embree wasn't his fault, but I also said if they weren't going to let him be in charge of one of his biggest hires, they might as well hire someone else.