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Jelly Named as One of the Centers to Watch in 2015

Buffenuf said:
Jelly needs to trust his dunking and improve his passing. He misses too many lay-ups and needs to find the open man quickly when doubled up. Also wouldn't hurt if his vertical was stronger; he'd be an absolute killer on the boards with a bit more hops.
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I'm with you. Tad really missed on this guy. Any chance we can pull his schollie and find someone that can do better than All-Pac12 by his sophomore year?
 
Passing should be his #1 priority this summer. For someone who was immediately double or triple teamed every time he touched the ball, he only managed 22 assists
 
sliderNcider said:
Passing should be his #1 priority this summer. For someone who was immediately double or triple teamed every time he touched the ball, he only managed 22 assists
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The other players on the team need to help Jelly out, they didn't consistently do that last year and it became even worse at the end of the year. I'm not sure why you're expecting a 5 to have a lot of assists or something, he has a high FT rate (#80 in D1) and makes a high percentage of his shots/free throws.
 
'Tini said:
The other players on the team need to help Jelly out, they didn't consistently do that last year and it became even worse at the end of the year. I'm not sure why you're expecting a 5 to have a lot of assists or something, he has a high FT rate (#80 in D1) and makes a high percentage of his shots/free throws.
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How you can make even this contentious is just impressive.
 
Darth Snow said:
not even worth it.
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Sure it is, Snow. How much more should he have? I don't have the stats but I would bet that most 5's don't have a lot of assists. Could the assist number improve? Sure, but we've got bigger issues. Not trying to make it contentious, but..
 
sliderNcider said:
So what are our bigger issues? So we can nitpick at them. TIA
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Lack of shooters, lack of movement on offense, spacing...just quickly off the top of my head. I wonder how many times Josh dished it out only to have the shot be missed (I have no idea and am just asking a question).
 
Darth Snow said:
not even worth it.
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So Tini is handling this incorrectly but Slider's point is also unfair, with as bad as the offense was expecting Jelly to have many assists is foolish. Also because of the system and the challenges we had post Spencer, Jelly was getting double-teamed a long way from the rim. Despite actually being a decent passer Jelly had little chance to create buckets when he was double-teamed 20 ft from the rim. As JG has noted SHT was dropping dimes in the UNLV NCAA game because we had a much more cohesive offense and some cutters:

http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php/97432-Lets-talk-Askia?p=1564516&viewfull=1#post1564516

I doubt any of us would assert that SHT was a better passer than Scott however he was in that game put in a position to be much more successful that Scott was post spencer. the other thing that makes the use of assists pointless is that Tad's teams, his system, his offense, and his focus on D&R make the assist a rare occurrence. Under Boyle our team has finished ranked below in assists:

2014 - 264th
2013 - 325th
2012 - 268th
2011 - 88th

As we all know that 2010-11 team was the offensive outlier in Boyle's regime here.
 
absinthe said:
So Tini is handling this incorrectly but Slider's point is also unfair, with as bad as the offense was expecting Jelly to have many assists is foolish. Also because of the system and the challenges we had post Spencer, Jelly was getting double-teamed a long way from the rim. Despite actually being a decent passer Jelly had little chance to create buckets when he was double-teamed 20 ft from the rim. As JG has noted SHT was dropping dimes in the UNLV NCAA game because we had a much more cohesive offense and some cutters:

http://www.allbuffs.com/showthread.php/97432-Lets-talk-Askia?p=1564516&viewfull=1#post1564516

I doubt any of us would assert that SHT was a better passer than Scott however he was in that game put in a position to be much more successful that Scott was post spencer. the other thing that makes the use of assists pointless is that Tad's teams, his system, his offense, and his focus on D&R make the assist a rare occurrence. Under Boyle our team has finished ranked below in assists:

2014 - 264th
2013 - 325th
2012 - 268th
2011 - 88th

As we all know that 2010-11 team was the offensive outlier in Boyle's regime here.
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fair points. I was mostly annoyed with Tini's approach to the issue. Tini, this is how it is done.
 
This thread is producing the image of Pitt hounding Josh all the way from under the basket to half court. I have never seen anything like that.
 
Aside from Ski & the games XJ was locked in, Scott didn't have too many options. We were essentially playing with 3 starters. 2 of which run hot n cold, and a bunch of reserves. Need DT, JHop, and Treshaun to become a lot more assertive next yr. That said, Scoot wasn't always quick to anticipate the double teams. It's on everybody.
 
CVilleBuff said:
This thread is producing the image of Pitt hounding Josh all the way from under the basket to half court. I have never seen anything like that.
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Pitt's game plan was the one that Arizona used on the Buffs. Jump the guards 30 feet from the basket and then swarm Josh so he isn't the guy to beat you.

Tad better have an answer for that this year, because the blueprint is now in place.
 
'Tini said:
The other players on the team need to help Jelly out, they didn't consistently do that last year and it became even worse at the end of the year. I'm not sure why you're expecting a 5 to have a lot of assists or something, he has a high FT rate (#80 in D1) and makes a high percentage of his shots/free throws.
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Maybe because he had only 22 assts. last year and self-admitted he was slow in looking for and finding the open man?
 
can we not worry about the assists and just worry about him passing the ball when he is doubled teamed? It seems like he like to hold on to the ball forever and put his back to his defender. Teams have obviously keyed on this and send an extra man his way. He might have to change his game and make quicker decisions/moves and pass the ball if a double team is coming.
 
Saw him here in town. Looking bigger in a good way. May just be tv vs in person but it sure looks like they've got a few more lbs of muscle on him
 
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