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JimmyBuff, time to admit Sumlin is a good coach?

Unleash Hell

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A&M is #18, playing the best they have in years (with a frosh QB at that), almost beat #2 Florida and now making LSU's defense look silly. You called me crazy when I wanted him from Houston.
 
The game just started!!

It might end with LSU winning by 20!!


(Of course if LSU keeps losing, the mad hatter might come available.)
 
Win, Lose, or Draw to LSU, Sumlin .....

Unleash Hell said:
A&M is #18, playing the best they have in years (with a frosh QB at that), almost beat #2 Florida and now making LSU's defense look silly. You called me crazy when I wanted him from Houston.
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Is a heck of a coach. cu would be a lot farther along offensively, if they would have hired him instead of the anti dynamic duo of Embo and Eric.


Sherman recruited most of the talent for aTm, but Sumlin got to work together, which Sherman struggled to do.
 
Having a QB makes a big difference. A&M has plenty of talent so he did not come into a situation with no talent. In the last 5 years the Aggies had 4 of 5 classes in the top 25 with the other being #30. Everyone knew that Sherman was a bad fit in college and the team was under performing.
 
BlackNGold said:
Having a QB makes a big difference. A&M has plenty of talent so he did not come into a situation with no talent. In the last 5 years the Aggies had 4 of 5 classes in the top 25 with the other being #30. Everyone knew that Sherman was a bad fit in college and the team was under performing.
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Whic proves he is a good coach, bad coaches still don't do much with good talent. Jimmy said Aggy would not win more than 1 SEC game this year.
 
Hatter called a TO. Florida has a better D than Lsu. A&M is beating them up front, till that play lol.
 
I'm scared we've missed out on most of the good coaching prospects the past couple of years. IMO we whifffed on Sumlin, Hoke, Rich Rod, Leach, Al Golden, etc. None of the current coordinators excite me and hardly any small school coaches do it for me. We're screwed...
 
DenverBuff77 said:
I'm scared we've missed out on most of the good coaching prospects the past couple of years. IMO we whifffed on Sumlin, Hoke, Rich Rod, Leach, Al Golden, etc. None of the current coordinators excite me and hardly any small school coaches do it for me. We're screwed...
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I like Kirby Smart
 
ATM has completely outplayed LSU, but due to a couple of turnovers and some really stupid plays at the end of the first half, they've lost the lead.

It's nice to see that even the "good" teams play like idots.
 
manziel has been very good for ATM. credit to spread around....wasn't like tannehill was awful. he was a pretty solid to very good college QB. the sherman hire never made sense to me. atm seems to recruit about the same regardless who the coach is....with Mack potentially on the wane, could be a dynamic young coach and some success in year 1 SEC...could put ATM in competition with OU for more #1's in the state....

but again, i thought the ags were poised to take a step up with fran and mack saddled with the "can't win a big game" tag in the early 00's, too.
 
sumlin has had some good fortune in his career....he was co-OC at OU but kevin wilson called the plays...for Sam Bradford. and a few years later, SUmlin in at ATM after following Briles at Houston while wilson is mired at the always miring Indiana.
 
Mad Hatter is putting A&M into a body bag in his usual style. another missed FG means &M is stilldown 5.
 
Once again, I wonder aloud. Mike Sherman, a skilled HC tries the WCo at the college level, flops. A guy with a spread type system comes in and cleans up. Say what you will but taking aTm into that game and playing well against the corndogs is impressive. I continue to conclude the WCO doesn't work in CFB unless you have superior athletes at every position (U$C) or a freak (Andrew Luck) with nearly better players at every position.

Unfortunately, Embo and staff know nothing but WCO......
 
I'm not a big fan of the spread but you have a point on the WCO. Think about when coached introduced it to teams in the pros and they took a season or more to adjust and be effective. The pros are able to have mini-camps and other off-season programs. They also work 12+ hour days in season and put their full concentration on what they are doing. All this with 22+ year old men.

The complexity of the WCO, the sophistication of the reads, not just for the QB but also for the WRs and even the center on his line calls seem to just be to much for college kids to grasp.

I like the pro set but with a system like Wisconsin runs. Build a big, powerful OL, run behind it effectively forcing the defense to come up and throw over them with a simple but sound passing game that utilizes the TE in the middle of the field and enough outside reciever contribution to keep the offense balanced. It also doesn't require great athletes and doesn't fall apart when guys get injured or graduate.

I hope that Embree and EB come to realize that 1) they don't have the outstanding talent needed to run the WCO, and 2) players are spending to much time thinking to be effective players.
 
leftybuff said:
Once again, I wonder aloud. Mike Sherman, a skilled HC tries the WCo at the college level, flops. A guy with a spread type system comes in and cleans up. Say what you will but taking aTm into that game and playing well against the corndogs is impressive. I continue to conclude the WCO doesn't work in CFB unless you have superior athletes at every position (U$C) or a freak (Andrew Luck) with nearly better players at every position.

Unfortunately, Embo and staff know nothing but WCO......
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Completely agree. I think it's the #1 reason pro coaches fail so hard in college. Even Pete Carroll would probably fail if put in a situation where he wasn't at USC (the talent is always there).

Anyways, one more year of putting square peg in round hole and then maybe we'll get a college coach that won't try to run something that doesn't work!
 
DenverBuff77 said:
I'm scared we've missed out on most of the good coaching prospects the past couple of years. IMO we whifffed on Sumlin, Hoke, Rich Rod, Leach, Al Golden, etc. None of the current coordinators excite me and hardly any small school coaches do it for me. We're screwed...
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Doesn't matter. Embree is not going anywhere. The CU administration is OK with the football program being dismal, otherwise they would not have bent to Bill McCartney's demands to put two unknowns in charge of the program. Greg Brown doesn't count, he has been dismal at CU before.
 
Mick Ronson said:
sumlin has had some good fortune in his career....he was co-OC at OU but kevin wilson called the plays...for Sam Bradford. and a few years later, SUmlin in at ATM after following Briles at Houston while wilson is mired at the always miring Indiana.
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What do they say, good people create their own fortune and that is Sumlin. He followed these guys, but added value in every instance. If Sherman was still at aTm, they would still be running that conservative, old man offense (playing not to lose), instead of taking advantage of the immense talent at aTm by utilizing a quick strike offense.
 
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