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JoePa retires, number of victims may double...

"This is a tragedy," Paterno said in a statement Wednesday. "It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."
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Good quote. Horrible horrible situation.
 
If the school President has any balls, he/she/it should decline any bowl invitation Penn State receives at the end of the year and begin to clean house.
 
Buffellow85 said:
If the school President has any balls, he/she/it should decline any bowl invitation Penn State receives at the end of the year and begin to clean house.
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I don't understand the logic here. Why punish the players who had nothing to do with any of this? I agree that a purge likely needs to happen to start to repair their image, but this is not necessary.
 
XIIfan said:
I don't understand the logic here. Why punish the players who had nothing to do with any of this? I agree that a purge likely needs to happen to start to repair their image, but this is not necessary.
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I'm with you here, don't punish the players. Instead, fire all these ****tards for cause and donate what they would have been paid for the rest of the year to a child victim's organization. You can't undo what these asshats let go on, but you can do your best to mitigate the effects and prevent it from happening in the future.
 
wsp4820 said:
I'm with you here, don't punish the players. Instead, fire all these ****tards for cause and donate what they would have been paid for the rest of the year to a child victim's organization. You can't undo what these asshats let go on, but you can do your best to mitigate the effects and prevent it from happening in the future.
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Prolly was a little harsh. The thought of a Joe Pa victory tour or a "win this bowl for Joe" makes me ill.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Because the kids on that team did exactly what wrong?
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I learned a lot about placing blame from the CU "scandal".

The Penn State Players are child molestors.
 
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Fire the staff, let the players continue on as best as they can.

As I've said before, those poor kids are being punished terribly for nothing they had any control over at all, simply by being there.

Adding sanctions or turning down bowl bids is just adding insult to injury for those poor kids.
 
Buffellow85 said:
If the school President has any balls, he/she/it should decline any bowl invitation Penn State receives at the end of the year and begin to clean house.
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If they had any balls, Paterno and anyone who knew about this and did not report it to the police would be out today. No final game. No grand sendoff. Just GTFO, you pedophile enabler.
 
Alfred91 said:
Fire the staff, let the players continue on as best as they can.

As I've said before, those poor kids are being punished terribly for nothing they had any control over at all, simply by being there.

Adding sanctions or turning down bowl bids is just adding insult to injury for those poor kids.
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They should also let the players transfer anywhere outside the B1G without penalty.
 
JimmyBuff said:
Totally absurd. There is no NCAA violations here.
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I think the rules are absurd, Jimmy. Under the rules, I agree that that NCAA probably doesn't have a dog in this fight.

But I think it's fair to say that we may have a situation where every single coach at the program, the majority of the athletic department staff including the AD, and even the university president are fired or forced to resign over a criminal investigation.

We are talking about a bunch of players who are on one-year scholarship contracts. Given the circumstances, I don't think it's absurd to allow them to sign on somewhere else without losing a year on their eligibility clocks if they don't want to stay at Penn State. I just don't know if the authority is there to make this exception. Honestly, it should come from Penn State that they would waive transfer penalties for anyone who wants out.
 
JimmyBuff said:
Totally absurd. There is no NCAA violations here.
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So in your eyes this wouldnt be lack of institutional control? Letting kids be molested on the premesis and have knowledge of it? Not that I disagree with you, just a question. As big as the rule book is, I wonder if something like this is even covered?
 
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BuffLuKe said:
So in your eyes this wouldnt be lack of institutional control? Letting kids be molested on the premesis and have knowledge of it?
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Uh what player violated NCAA violations? NCAA violations are about amateur athletes not administrators lack of action.
 
Buffnik said:
I think the rules are absurd, Jimmy. Under the rules, I agree that that NCAA probably doesn't have a dog in this fight.

But I think it's fair to say that we may have a situation where every single coach at the program, the majority of the athletic department staff including the AD, and even the university president are fired or forced to resign over a criminal investigation.

We are talking about a bunch of players who are on one-year scholarship contracts. Given the circumstances, I don't think it's absurd to allow them to sign on somewhere else without losing a year on their eligibility clocks if they don't want to stay at Penn State. I just don't know if the authority is there to make this exception. Honestly, it should come from Penn State that they would waive transfer penalties for anyone who wants out.
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So now we are going to make exceptions to the rules of transfer eligibility? Did you advocate this when CU went through their ordeal?
 
JimmyBuff said:
Uh what player violated NCAA violations? NCAA violations are about amateur athletes not administrators lack of action.
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Youre right, I wonder if the NCAA does some tweaking to that? Then where does lack of institutional control come from? Is it more or less you only get investigated because athletes get caught breaking the rules?
 
BuffLuKe said:
Youre right, I wonder if the NCAA does some tweaking to that? Then where does lack of institutional control come from? Is it more or less you only get investigated because athletes get caught breaking the rules?
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Let's hope not since the NCAA is nothing but a failure
 
JimmyBuff said:
So now we are going to make exceptions to the rules of transfer eligibility? Did you advocate this when CU went through their ordeal?
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No. I'm saying Penn State should grant waivers for the players who want to leave at the end of the year.

CU should have done the same thing. It's the right thing for the athletes and it's probably good for the program since the guys who stay are choosing to stick together.
 
BuffLuKe said:
Youre right, I wonder if the NCAA does some tweaking to that? Then where does lack of institutional control come from? Is it more or less you only get investigated because athletes get caught breaking the rules?
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The "lack of institutional control" thing comes into play when schools knowingly give access to players to gift-giving boosters or agents, don't report violations and generally create a culture of cheating to win while covering it up. It really has nothing to do with the Ped State situation.
 
Buffnik said:
The "lack of institutional control" thing comes into play when schools knowingly give access to players to gift-giving boosters or agents, don't report violations and generally create a culture of cheating to win while covering it up. It really has nothing to do with the Ped State situation.
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I know I was just thinking out loud. I mean these people get to operate with no accountability whatsoever, it stinks.
 
JimmyBuff said:
Uh what player violated NCAA violations? NCAA violations are about amateur athletes not administrators lack of action.
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Well there are NCAA rules that relate to administrators. Limits on the number of phone calls they can make, etc. But yeah, I'd be stunned if they had a set of rules specifically prohibiting criminal acts. Institutionally violating that isn't an NCAA issue, it's criminal conspiracy.

As far as JoePa, the civil suits are the real issue for him. He can evade the criminal stuff because by 2002, Sandusky isn't a subordinate of his. He's an emeritus coach. Thus JoePa can claim he isn't Sandusky's supervisor. Besides do we really think a Pennsylvania jury would convict him? He'll be on the hook for millions though. At this moment, he's probably busy transferring title on his home to his wife and his official residence to Florida...
 
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