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Jon Embree's CU Buffs unlikely to sign junior college player

Embree discussed the difficulty of successfully recruiting junior college players to Colorado earlier this fall.


"We would like to in some situations, but again they have to be able to do the work academically and what transfers in, because of what we are as an academic institution, it makes it a little more difficult to get junior college kids in because we don't accept P.E., we don't take D's, and there are other schools out there that do take both of those and that makes it a lot easier," Embree said. "A lot of the good ones want to enroll in a college in January and there is usually a little extra work that you have to do to get into here, so you wouldn't be able to come in until the fall."

 
Ya, once Breslin signed with USC, not much chance. The JC he is from, Diablo Valley College, is one of the best academic JC's in callly. They have an automatic program so the top 10 or 20% of graduates get automatic admittance into Cal or UCLA or UCSD. Breslin is the best football player they have ever had. It is a shame, we didn't land him.

As far as Breslin, he had a terrible ACL injury out of high school. he didn't think he was going to play football again. I think his grades were probably very good because of this, but I don't know that for a fact.

Bad news for us, he is fully recovered and playing for the trojans.
 
Meanwhile....JUtah gets another one

Koliniasi Leota (Walnut, Calif./Mt. San Antonio College) has committed to Utah, multiple sources report.

Colorado, Florida International, Hawaii, Kansas State, Oregon State and Utah State also offered Leota.
 
jahbrahakala said:
Koliniasi Leota (Walnut, Calif./Mt. San Antonio College) has committed to Utah, multiple sources report.

Colorado, Florida International, Hawaii, Kansas State, Oregon State and Utah State also offered Leota.
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It is a tough pill to swallow, but CU will be better off in the long run by developing players for 4 and 5 years. But it does add a couple years to the rebuilding.

Utah just added another JUCO player because they couldn't beat a bad CU team at home last year and will get run out of Folsom next year.
 
Not surprised here - CU never has been a jc landing place. The few we have had come here have not really produced :rolling_eyes: need to look at the academically gifted jc players/schools
 
So, we don't accept D's or PE credits, yet we are one of two schools that got an NCAA sanction for not meeting the minimum GPA requirement. How does this make sense?
 
Colobuffs21 said:
So, we don't accept D's or PE credits, yet we are one of two schools that got an NCAA sanction for not meeting the minimum GPA requirement. How does this make sense?
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It makes sense because we expect our student athletes to go to school and perform. They aren't just given good grades because they are on an athletic scholarship.
 
Colobuffs21 said:
So, we don't accept D's or PE credits, yet we are one of two schools that got an NCAA sanction for not meeting the minimum GPA requirement. How does this make sense?
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Makes total sense. Our athletes have to pass actual college level coursework in order to stay eligible.
 
aeroxx said:
Ya, once Breslin signed with USC, not much chance. The JC he is from, Diablo Valley College, is one of the best academic JC's in callly. They have an automatic program so the top 10 or 20% of graduates get automatic admittance into Cal or UCLA or UCSD. Breslin is the best football player they have ever had. It is a shame, we didn't land him.

As far as Breslin, he had a terrible ACL injury out of high school. he didn't think he was going to play football again. I think his grades were probably very good because of this, but I don't know that for a fact.

Bad news for us, he is fully recovered and playing for the trojans.
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WOOT! WOOT! shout out to DVC! Proud grad! (ooops sorry need to refocus).
 
I know this is tough and I know losing SUCKS........ but I am a grad of a JUCO because I didn't know what I wanted to do yet and why spend the money to be lost at a 4 year college. So I know how the JUCO system goes......and its another chance to get you focused to take on the next level academically. if you are given classes to keep you eligible to play, then going there isn't any better than being in high school. I see alot of this where now where the HS counselors are trained to get the kid thru HS. Most of the HS coaches are just trying to make sure the kid stays eligible to play and there isn't alot of focus on what kind of GPA or classes you need to get to the college level. If the parent isn't as involved in the process the kid gets lost in the shuffle.
 
moett88 said:
I know this is tough and I know losing SUCKS........ but I am a grad of a JUCO because I didn't know what I wanted to do yet and why spend the money to be lost at a 4 year college. So I know how the JUCO system goes......and its another chance to get you focused to take on the next level academically. if you are given classes to keep you eligible to play, then going there isn't any better than being in high school. I see alot of this where now where the HS counselors are trained to get the kid thru HS. Most of the HS coaches are just trying to make sure the kid stays eligible to play and there isn't alot of focus on what kind of GPA or classes you need to get to the college level. If the parent isn't as involved in the process the kid gets lost in the shuffle.
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I'd recommend the JUCO system for just about everyone. It's a better investment for most people and many of us need a couple years to grow up and take our academics as seriously as we should.

Unfortunately, what we often see with athletes is a travesty. As you mentioned, all too often they're passed through junior high and high school with the path of least resistance so that they can remain eligible. Then, some don't qualify and end up at a juco or barely qualify and end up at a college that doesn't give its athletes a regular college education. Instead, pushing them onto a degree path that's less rigorous and less valuable for gainful employment upon graduation. Sadly, many athletes end up as the first college graduate in their families but come out of it with few career options because they don't have real degrees. One thing I love about CU is that it doesn't have watered down majors and that its athletes graduate with the educational foundation to be successful after football.

It makes it harder for CU to bring in juco athletes, because many jucos focus on keeping the athlete eligible instead of preparing him for the 4-year college he'll want to go to after receiving an associate's degree. I was very happy to see that the NCAA finally stepped up this year by limiting the number of PE course and raising the core requirements that need to be on a juco transcript in order to transfer into a D1 program.

P.S. I'm sure you see a lot worse than I have since you're in the midst of that Texas high school machine. When I see communities spending millions on football facilities when they have less than ideal student/teacher ratios, outdated textbooks, lack of computer and science labs, etc., it makes me so damn angry. And I say that as an obsessed sports fan. Too many people don't have their priorities right.
 
BuffUp said:
Not surprised here - CU never has been a jc landing place. The few we have had come here have not really produced :rolling_eyes: need to look at the academically gifted jc players/schools
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Not quite accurate. CU has not taken a lot of Jucos but many have contributed. Mike Moschetti, 2 year starter at QB, Brad Bedell, All-American Lineman for CU, Abe Wright was a really good players for CU, Jeremy Flores, Bobby Pesavento, Bryce MacMartin, Al Barnett, etc. Many have come in and contributed which is what your want.
 
Buffnik said:
I'd recommend the JUCO system for just about everyone. It's a better investment for most people and many of us need a couple years to grow up and take our academics as seriously as we should.

Unfortunately, what we often see with athletes is a travesty. As you mentioned, all too often they're passed through junior high and high school with the path of least resistance so that they can remain eligible. Then, some don't qualify and end up at a juco or barely qualify and end up at a college that doesn't give its athletes a regular college education. Instead, pushing them onto a degree path that's less rigorous and less valuable for gainful employment upon graduation. Sadly, many athletes end up as the first college graduate in their families but come out of it with few career options because they don't have real degrees. One thing I love about CU is that it doesn't have watered down majors and that its athletes graduate with the educational foundation to be successful after football.

It makes it harder for CU to bring in juco athletes, because many jucos focus on keeping the athlete eligible instead of preparing him for the 4-year college he'll want to go to after receiving an associate's degree. I was very happy to see that the NCAA finally stepped up this year by limiting the number of PE course and raising the core requirements that need to be on a juco transcript in order to transfer into a D1 program.

P.S. I'm sure you see a lot worse than I have since you're in the midst of that Texas high school machine. When I see communities spending millions on football facilities when they have less than ideal student/teacher ratios, outdated textbooks, lack of computer and science labs, etc., it makes me so damn angry. And I say that as an obsessed sports fan. Too many people don't have their priorities right.
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From the Instructor side of academics, I'm not sure I can agree with this entirely. I see many community college/JuCO students come into my classes at a D1 school and because 1) they didn't take their classes seriously, they lack the background for upper division work, or 2) the JuCo doesn't offer the appropriate classes which means they spend extra time to get qualified/prepared and often loose interest and eventually drop out. I understand that many 18 year-old kids are simply not ready for the riggers of college classes, but JuCo's are not always the way to get them prepared.
 
XIIfan said:
From the Instructor side of academics, I'm not sure I can agree with this entirely. I see many community college/JuCO students come into my classes at a D1 school and because 1) they didn't take their classes seriously, they lack the background for upper division work, or 2) the JuCo doesn't offer the appropriate classes which means they spend extra time to get qualified/prepared and often loose interest and eventually drop out. I understand that many 18 year-old kids are simply not ready for the riggers of college classes, but JuCo's are not always the way to get them prepared.
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Point taken.

My experience was that I got very little out of 100 level college coursework other than learning the campus and the university culture.
 
XIIfan said:
From the Instructor side of academics, I'm not sure I can agree with this entirely. I see many community college/JuCO students come into my classes at a D1 school and because 1) they didn't take their classes seriously, they lack the background for upper division work, or 2) the JuCo doesn't offer the appropriate classes which means they spend extra time to get qualified/prepared and often loose interest and eventually drop out. I understand that many 18 year-old kids are simply not ready for the riggers of college classes, but JuCo's are not always the way to get them prepared.
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All depends on the junior college system.

A number of years ago the four year colleges and two year colleges were fighting over limited state funding and the four year schools were trying to make the the argument that the two year schools were doing a poor job. In response it was suggested that a study be done to evaluate if this were true to determine the direction of future funding.

An outside accounting firm was brought in to do the actual study. To make a long story short what was found was that students who went to Colorado community colleges prior to attending four year Colorado schools had higher average GPAs in their jr. and sr. years than those students who had spent their first two years at the four year schools.

Our four year schools including CU have some excellent instructors who do an excellent job. Unfortunately with the pressure to publish and the class sizes at the four year schools often the instruction in lower division courses is not highly effective. Students are dealing with TAs instead of instructors and many students are there to party not learn.

The community colleges offer smaller class sizes with instructors who are there to teach. By the nature of the schools more students are serious about learning and the learning environment is better. Add the higher rigor of the guaranteed transfer requirements and I completely agree with Nick. For many students the community college is not only less expensive but a better educational option.

This is all completely ignoring the situation around athletics since Juco athletes are often kids who otherwise wouldn't be in college at all. They have been passed along to keep them eligible in HS and the JC does relatively the same thing. Many of this group come out of the JC completely unequiped to handle the academics at a school that holds its athletes to a reasonable academic standard. They can do fine at certain (unnamed) schools that specialize in continuing this academic pattern with their players.
 
Wow DVC connect. Moet! And then what, you got tired of the beauty of the East Bay and got a yearning to go to texas? That has got to be a first :)

College can be a tough transition, with or without a moral holiday...

So much comes down to the quality of teachers and motivation(s) of the students.

As far as Breslin, I can't begrudge him wanting to spend the next two years of his life competing for a national championship.

It could still be a rough transition for Breslin too, even coming from DVC. After all, he is going to have Norgard and Powell charging right at him, followed by a stable of gifted running backs!
 
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