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Jon Gruden is aweful

He's spurned pretty decent NFL jobs I believe. Not sure he'd jump for the U$C job... Although, I actually like the guy a lot better than previous MNF commentators.
 
He's a good analysis, lousy announcer/color man.

Not sure I'd want him at USC. The transition from pro to college (or the other way) doesn't usually work out well but he was a very good pro coach. If he could translate to college that wouldn't be good for us. The fact that he could flash a super bowl ring at recruits and is well known because of his TV work would give him big advantages in recruiting as well as if he would need them at SC.

On the other hand if he were interesting in coaching you would think he would have already be back in it and for huge bucks in the NFL.
 
I like Gruden. His love for football gets a little absurd sometimes, but he definitely knows his stuff.

Him coaching in college wouldn't be a winner imo. Too angry and tough for the college game.
 
I like Gruden, but then I've always loved Dan Dierdorf and everyone else hates him.
 
Thing I remember about Dan was the Leon Lett thing lol. I like Chucky, he makes me laugh especially when he starts calling plays and **** lol. Spider 3 Y Banana.
 
I sort of thought there was a lot of love for him out there. I don't see it. I also consider him a mediocre NFL coach. Won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team and proceeded to go under .500 the rest of his career after that. You can argue it was the talent, but great coaches just win.
 
Deardork? A sure-fire idot, almost as bad as mooseboogers. Haven't heard him in a while, but Gruden used to go off in the weeds sometimes.
 
Knows his stuff! Like him as an announcer. Don't think USC is for him. Furthermore I hope not! He would be much more effective than Kiffin.
 
Eggon said:
Knows his stuff! Like him as an announcer. Don't think USC is for him. Furthermore I hope not! He would be much more effective than Kiffin.
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Mr. Hankie would be much more effective than Kiffin.

Don't know how well he would transition to the college game but he was a good pro coach.
 
buffaholic said:
Discuss.

Hope USC hires him. He is a tool and I hate listening to him.
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Man, you guys hate anyone that has actual personality. There are only so many dead pan dorks out there like Al Michaels and Chris Fowler that are likable. There are a lot more calling games every Saturday whose names I can't pick out.

Guys like Arute, Mushburger, Dierdorf, elevate the game with good conversation and snippets. I like Gruden.

MtnBuff said:
He's a good analysis, lousy announcer/color man.

Not sure I'd want him at USC. The transition from pro to college (or the other way) doesn't usually work out well but he was a very good pro coach. If he could translate to college that wouldn't be good for us. The fact that he could flash a super bowl ring at recruits and is well known because of his TV work would give him big advantages in recruiting as well as if he would need them at SC.

On the other hand if he were interesting in coaching you would think he would have already be back in it and for huge bucks in the NFL.
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Signed, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, et al. Gruden at USC would be bad for us.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Signed, Pete Carroll, Jim Harbaugh, et al. Gruden at USC would be bad for us.
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This is why I said usually. There is a long list of guys who have failed on the change of level including Pete Carroll his first time.

That said I think that Gruden is one of the guys who has a good chance of making the transition successfully and that is why I stated in an earlier post that I don't want him at USC.
 
MtnBuff said:
This is why I said usually. There is a long list of guys who have failed on the change of level including Pete Carroll his first time.

That said I think that Gruden is one of the guys who has a good chance of making the transition successfully and that is why I stated in an earlier post that I don't want him at USC.
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Wrong, Carrol's first HC gig at the collegiate level was USC.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
Pete Carrol never failed "on the change of level".
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He was kind of a counter guy. Stunk on one level, highly successful when he got to the other.

Turns out that when he got his second chance on the pro level he has done very well but there was some speculation that he was a bad hire for Seattle because of his earlier failure. Labelled as a good college coach, bad pro coach.

Point is that there are lots of guys who were successful on one level who failed on the other. Carrol in his second time around is one of the exceptions to that.

No guarantees but I think Gruden is another guy who could succeed at the college level after the pros. He seems like a guy who could communicate well with college aged players. He also seems like a guy who could adapt to what his players are able to do.

I would much rather USC go out and hire a guy who is more "name" than substance like they did with Kiffen.
 
I doubt Gruden will return to coaching. I think he likes entertaining the idea to keep his name relevant. From what I've heard, he really enjoys his free time and struggles with the 80 hour weeks that come with coaching. He plays a ton of golf and has three sons. He's not going anywhere.
 
MtnBuff said:
He was kind of a counter guy. Stunk on one level, highly successful when he got to the other.

Turns out that when he got his second chance on the pro level he has done very well but there was some speculation that he was a bad hire for Seattle because of his earlier failure. Labelled as a good college coach, bad pro coach.

Point is that there are lots of guys who were successful on one level who failed on the other. Carrol in his second time around is one of the exceptions to that.

No guarantees but I think Gruden is another guy who could succeed at the college level after the pros. He seems like a guy who could communicate well with college aged players. He also seems like a guy who could adapt to what his players are able to do.

I would much rather USC go out and hire a guy who is more "name" than substance like they did with Kiffen.
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I agree that many coaches do struggle from one level to the other. I don't know what it was with Carrol. It looks like a switch was flipped when he got to SC and he figured it out.
 
J.R. Ewing said:
I doubt Gruden will return to coaching. I think he likes entertaining the idea to keep his name relevant. From what I've heard, he really enjoys his free time and struggles with the 80 hour weeks that come with coaching. He plays a ton of golf and has three sons. He's not going anywhere.
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Yeah Gruden turned down some NFL jobs already, if he wanted to come back he would have already. I like him as a commentator and also enjoy his film sessions where he grills the senior QBs right before the draft. I definitely wouldn't want Gruden picking apart everything I did.
 
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