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Kicker

jcatcher

jcatcher

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The #1 ranked kicker in high school is Daniel Carlson from the Springs (Classical Academy). He has offers from Auburn and LSU (and Air Force) but his profile shows no contact with CU. Will Oliver, while a freshman, was below average last year, missing four kicks from less than 40 yards. Any reason why CU is not in on this guy? He's kicked a 68-yarder.
 
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jcatcher said:
The #1 ranked kicker in high school is Daniel Carlson is from the Springs (Classical Academy). He has offers from Auburn and LSU (and Air Force) but his profile shows no contact with CU. Will Oliver, while a freshman, was below average last year, missing four kicks from less than 40 yards. Any reason why CU is not in on this guy? He's kicked a 68-yarder.
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I believe we have 4 kickers on scholly and currently are dealing with a small class. ****** timing.
 
I believe if you can get a difference maker at kicker, you get him. I know we have a lot of guys on scholarship right now that probably shouldn't be, but you don't pass up the next Mason Crosby just because you have too many (average at best) kickers on your roster already.
 
jcatcher said:
The #1 ranked kicker in high school is Daniel Carlson from the Springs (Classical Academy). He has offers from Auburn and LSU (and Air Force) but his profile shows no contact with CU. Will Oliver, while a freshman, was below average last year, missing four kicks from less than 40 yards. Any reason why CU is not in on this guy? He's kicked a 68-yarder.
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Oliver's stats:
YEARTEAMFGMFGAPCT1-1920-2930-3940-4950+LNGXPMXPAPTS
2011
111668.80-03-53-54-51-152293162

He had a slump midway through the season, but had started off strong. He did have quite a few blocked I think because he kicks low as well. 68 yards is impressive, but I'm not impressed by anyone's leg strength much anymore and care more about what's between the ears. If we are kicking 50+ yard field goals this year regularly it's going to be a long year anyway.

Still sucks about the timing though and the #s we have to give out this year on scholarship. I'd fix our punting if I could fix anything about our ST game right now.
 
Buffnik said:
We absolutely cannot put another kicker on scholarship.
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I'm always amazed at this attitude. Tell me, which player scores the most points on a football team? I know kickers are little geeks and not considered "real" football players, but they are often the difference between winning and losing. If you can get a true difference maker at kicker, you get him. Let the chips fall where they may.
 
sackman said:
I'm always amazed at this attitude. Tell me, which player scores the most points on a football team? I know kickers are little geeks and not considered "real" football players, but they are often the difference between winning and losing. If you can get a true difference maker at kicker, you get him. Let the chips fall where they may.
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And the deviation you have in points scored with an average kicker to an all-conference performer is minimal.
 
Buffnik said:
And the deviation you have in points scored with an average kicker to an all-conference performer is minimal.
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Perhaps, but that deviation is usually made up of some pretty important points. Having an elite kicker allows you to be much more flexible with your gameplan. You don't have to worry about punting or going for it when you stall out on the 40 yard line. How many games are decided on the foot of the kicker? A lot are. We beat West Virginia because their kicker sucked (that day). We beat Oklahoma because our kicker didn't (that day). We're in the situation we're in right now because Hawkins was an incompetent moron who did not appreciate the importance of the kicking game.

Understand that I would only go after this kid if he's a truly elite kicker. Just putting him on the roster to add competition would be stupid. But you don't pass up on the next Mason Crosby because your roster is too full of kickers already.
 
I once lost a five team parlay bet when McCartney sent a kicker home from a bowl trip after he broke some rule. CU missed three extra points in the game.*

Don't tell me kickers aren't important! Cost me about $600.

* OK, I just looked it up. It was the 1993 Fiesta Bowl. Punter Mitch Berger was doing the kicking and he missed two extra points and a field goal. Five points in a 26-22 loss to Syracuse. I don't remember who the regular kicker was.
 
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Perhaps, but that deviation is usually made up of some pretty important points. Having an elite kicker allows you to be much more flexible with your gameplan. You don't have to worry about punting or going for it when you stall out on the 40 yard line. How many games are decided on the foot of the kicker? A lot are. We beat West Virginia because their kicker sucked (that day). We beat Oklahoma because our kicker didn't (that day). We're in the situation we're in right now because Hawkins was an incompetent moron who did not appreciate the importance of the kicking game.

Understand that I would only go after this kid if he's a truly elite kicker. Just putting him on the roster to add competition would be stupid. But you don't pass up on the next Mason Crosby because your roster is too full of kickers already.
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A kicker isn't a game changer for us when we lose games by 15+ on average.
 
Rugged said:
A kicker isn't a game changer for us when we lose games by 15+ on average.
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Yeah, I can't think of a game last year where having a great kicker would have been the difference between winning and losing. Only Cal and WSU were close, and neither came down to a kick or missed kick. Still, if you can get one, I think you owe it to the program to get an elite kicker. They're very rare. I'm sure the folks at Utah wish they had a better kicker. Probably at Stanford, too.
 
sackman said:
Yeah, I can't think of a game last year where having a great kicker would have been the difference between winning and losing. Only Cal and WSU were close, and neither came down to a kick or missed kick. Still, if you can get one, I think you owe it to the program to get an elite kicker. They're very rare. I'm sure the folks at Utah wish they had a better kicker. Probably at Stanford, too.
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I get what you're saying but having six scholarship kickers is too much.
 
DrunkRalphie said:
What's wrong with Oliver? I thought he had a solid year. He was only a freshman.
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Started off encouraging enough, but once teams realized he was getting 3 feet of lift on his kicks, the block party was on. He may be a good one for us, but it got rough for a while there last season after the bright start.
 
Our kicking is still pretty suspect. Oliver was a little better and our punter was a little better, but still not good. In the near term I am more worried about getting a good punter than kicker. We need every advantage in the field position battle.

Although if we are ever competitive again, we will need a good kicker. A good kicker is just too much of a weapon at altitude. Adds to home team advantage.

I believe we should be able to recruit the best of the best in punting and kicking with the altitude advantage. Our kicking should always be above average. D2 really understood the value of field position and kicking.
 
Creatini said:
I get what you're saying but having six scholarship kickers is too much.
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Having five crappy scholarship kickers is too much. Having one elite kicker and five crappy kickers is unfortunate, but acceptable.
 
I'm with sacky on this one. I tend to think you don't turn down the consensus number one player at any position, regardless of scholarship numbers - especially if a lot of people think he's not just the best this year, but probably the best over the last/next several years.
 
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