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Lindgren, Sefo, OL, Play Calling, OH MY
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DiggerBuffs
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Yes, he also ****ed my non-existent sister, my dog and every other thing. My problem is he has not shown what we need out of an OC to win in the Pac 12. He is next on the chopping block if we want a Pac 12 caliber coaching staff and not a MWC staff.
This whole "coaches are quitting" narrative is the absolute biggest crock of **** I've heard so far this season. Nobody is quitting on anybody, and you can tell by the emotion that was pouring out of that sideline and locker room.
Digger - Your week long, anti-Sefo narrative was exposed this weekend and you ended up with egg on your face. Whether your continued myopic, vendetta against Lindgren ends up being correct or not, can you please start bringing more to the table than "Lindgren sucks and needs to be fired"? We all take issue at times with the play calling but you are the only one that continues to go on these ridiculous diatribes. We get it.
Digger - Your week long, anti-Sefo narrative was exposed this weekend and you ended up with egg on your face. Whether your continued myopic, vendetta against Lindgren ends up being correct or not, can you please start bringing more to the table than "Lindgren sucks and needs to be fired"? We all take issue at times with the play calling but you are the only one that continues to go on these ridiculous diatribes. We get it.
DiggerBuffs
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There is no egg on my face. Sefo cost us repeated games last year. This year he has not improved but is a similar player. He doesn't do anything to take over a game. He played a very solid and controlled game and I praised him for that.
Lindgren facts have been presented. His play calling is atrocious for stretches and it showed the last 3 series of the OSU game. 5 series against Arizona and it ultimately has cost us opportunities to win some games. Please present anything that says otherwise. That is right you can't.
it's like you don't know what you are talking about. Have you addressed the OL issues?
DiggerBuffs
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Okay here it goes, Alex Kelley has regressed not being masked by two 5th year seniors. We have a cluster **** of OL that have had issues protecting the QB, but Saturday I felt they did everything they could to keep Sefo upright and did a decent job with that makeshift OL.
I am pointing out Lindgren calling three pathetic series to close out the Oregon State game. CU had 9 play for 17 yards and ate only 4:11 in those 3 series. If they pick up a first in that last series, Oregon State doesn't have a chance. If we for some reason, actually move the ball and score, we aren't biting off our fingers hoping we can close out a game.
I don't know what I am talking about? Again, present some points that people can actually have information on. I played, I coached, I have watched football my entire life. I know the good teams that put away teams and the team that is 4-4 with a near loss and 2-3 losses they may have avoided with some more intelligent drives. I present numbers and facts. What has Lindgren done to not warrant the criticism?!
Criticism, yes (did you see the discussion of the speed option last week?). But take a look at the OL thread posted by Nik. The OL was a total MASH unit playing with 3d string tackles and guards. What do you want Lindgren to do in those last 3 series when our Defense was stoning OSU? Put the game in Sefo's hands with a leaky OL?
I was just hoping that you would bring a little more to the discussion than the simplistic thought of blaming the play caller for all the offensive woes. At some point, players have to execute the plays that are called and the Buffs offense has seldom done that on a consistent basis. Whether it's the offensive line missing blocks, running backs not hitting the holes or fumbling, WRs not running good routes or dropping passes, or yes, Sefo missing open receivers or throwing costly interceptions, the onus is on the entire group.
DiggerBuffs
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I want to see something besides a QB Off-Tackle when I was yelling from my couch that better not be the play. Also whatever that play to Lindsay was the series before when you just need to pound the ball on 3rd and short! Oregon State knew we were running, quick pass to Spruce or Lee.
This is the same defense that stoned Arizona for 30 minutes the previous week. You have to take the ball out of the other teams hands for once and say we are winning this game by building a lead. Holding a one score lead does not get it done against good teams. It cost us Arizona and if the WR learns to let Witherspoon take himself out of the play, we are playing from behind.
I can't defend the OL. It is what it is, but you have to come up with more than what we saw the last two weeks to win games.
uhh, we won one game out of the last 2 weeks. So apparently, that was enough, at least once.
tl/dr version of your posts:
1. We have an OL that can't block with any consistency.
2. We have a QB who can't make the necessary plays.
3. Conclusion: The OC needs to be fired since he can't deliver better than a Top 50 offense with these limitations.
DiggerBuffs
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I think you are making a jump to conclusion statement. I have repeatedly pointed to inept play calling. You added the Top 50 offense. What about wins? What about taking the worse two teams each Pac 12 team has faced, we are amongst the Pac 12 bottom feeders.
I believe we could have beat Arizona if we had kept a rhythm we had with that inconsistent OL and QB that had made a couple plays.
I believe if Lindgren had shown some moxie against Hawaii and our offense go 4 and out for 4 straight drives and then two turnovers and then came out after a FG (TD was needed) and then gone 5 straight series without a score and 4 punts.
5-3 or 6-2 looks a lot better than 4-4. Sooner or later you have to take that next step by taking chances. Pac 12 football doesn't allow you to sit on one score leads. This is why Wazzou is having a good season. They are relentless and trade punches. We bunker down and expect to hold onto wins or get a late score to get a win. It is a consistent problem that has to change if we want to go from competitive to winners.
I am hoping to see some kind of play action off of the sefo run/ powell lead play. Not sure how you play action a qb run, jump pass? We have gone to the well alot with this play and I would love to see us take advantage of the defense anticipation. I was cringing the last time we ran it, but honestly OSU did not show they could stop it even when they knew it was coming all game long.
One of the few issues I had this week with the play calling was the QB keeps. Sefo had 18 carries for 44 yards, for a 2.44 average. the rest of the team was 27-144, 5.33 yards per carry. Hand the ball off. Sefo isn't that elusive and they really were not even QB reads, they were more of just QB runs. Also, I am tired of the RB rotation, Lindsey is our best rusher, play him and rotate in Lee or Carr when he needs a break.
DiggerBuffs
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My main problem is we went with a 2-3 yard play when we needed 4 yards. And before that on a 3rd and 1 yard play we went with a play call more suited for 2nd and 5. Line up and pound the ball when you have to get a yard.
Whose decision was it to not have Lindsey out there for the last 10 minutes of the game?
I like the effort that the other guys put in, but only Lindsey can take a 3 or 4 yard gain and make into a 7 or 8 yard gain.
Speaking of RBs, any chance Adkins can get a medical redshirt at this point? I mean, sheesh.
I like the effort that the other guys put in, but only Lindsey can take a 3 or 4 yard gain and make into a 7 or 8 yard gain.
Speaking of RBs, any chance Adkins can get a medical redshirt at this point? I mean, sheesh.
DiggerBuffs
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I will say I like the Sefo designated runs on 2nd and short or around the goal line when you spread out the formation. Those are when they are most effective. Those numbers are a tad skewed with sack totals going towards those but the majority of Sefo's designed runs were not more than 2-4 yards.
And if he is finally healthy like they said he was, why would you add extra abuse to his body by running him so much. Let our tailbacks do their job, I think they are capable enough to get the job done. Sefo is not going to break long runs between tackles. But Lindsey/Carr/Lee sure as hell can!
I agree, right time and situation. I believe Sefo had a 88 yards rushing and his net was 44 with the sacks. I could be wrong I was drinking... He still wasn't at the team average, and he is no real threat.
Because if you run with Sefo you gain an extra blocker. That is why they did it.
BlackNGold
Club Member
I thought this was the UCLA pre game thread not another Digger "I hate Lindgren (and Sefo)" thread.
The QB off tackle has been their best short yardage/goal line play. Until our 245 lb QB with our 235 lb lead blocker get stuffed for a loss or no gain, they should keep running it.
Yep. They were getting little push, so decided the best chance was to get hats on hats and let a 250 lb QB who is really good with ball security on run plays to find a crease and fall forward for 3-5 yards.
It didn't really work except for shortening the game and keeping the CU defense fresh. But with the OL injuries in the 2nd half I'm not sure I trusted anything to work. Blitz pickup by the OL was especially shaky.
Anyway, they've got to clean this up against UCLA. Bruins have athletes all over the field and the Buffs need to be assignment-sound on the OL if we're going to have a shot.
The play you are talking about was the worst play call I have seen them make in short yardage situation. Not only can so many things go wrong by pitching it straight back to a RB as he is moving towards the line, but sefo is already under center, let him use his size to get the yard. We had been getting enough push all night for him to dive forward for a yard.
?? how was that any different then lining up in power and having Powel lead through the hole with Lindsey caring the ball?
Sefo wouldn't block on that play, he would hand off and get out of the way. If you make Sefo the runner, now those two RB's are blockers.
Because if the QB carries it both Powell and Lindsay are blocking. That's where the extra blocker comes from.
Your vendetta against BL and Sefo is just weird at this point. I thought the narrative last week was "just win; Sefo/BL don't ever win," but now that they won the narrative is different?
Any rate, I also wanted to point out that while only 4:11 came off the clock in those series, they also ate all 3 of OSU's timeouts on the last series.
By eliminating the FB, and only having only 2 guys in the backfield, you take an extra defender out of the box to help with run support. The QB is a wasted player and gives the defense numbers when all he does is turn around and hand the ball off.