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MBB Pac-12 Tournament 2015

Shldr2Shldr

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Current Standings (3/2)

1) Arizona (14-2) (Cal, Stan)
2) Utah (12-4) (WSU, UW)
3) Oregon (12-5) (OSU)
4) UCLA (10-7) (USC)
5) Stanford (9-7) (ASU, UA)
6) OSU (8-9) (UO)
7) Cal (7-9) (UA, ASU)
8) ASU (7-9) (Stan, Cal)
9) Colorado (6-10) (UW, WSU)
10) WSU (6-10) (UU, CU)
11) UW (4-12) (CU, UU)
12 USC (3-14) (UCLA)

The top 4 seeds are pretty much locked in at this point. There would have to be some unexpected results during the final week to change the order. With that being said, as per usual, 5-10 are in total flux.

CU's best possible standing could be 7 I believe (correct me if I am wrong) based on tie breakers. Worst I believe would be 11th, but that would be unlikely because UW would have to beat Utah. Best possible scenario imo would be to either win both of our games and have the rest of the standings shake out to put us at 7 or beat UW and lose to WSU in order to possibly play UU in the 2nd round.

Looking past the Pac-12 Tournament though, best case would be to definitely win both of our final games, get to .500 and hopefully grab an NIT bid.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Current Standings (3/2)

1) Arizona (14-2) (Cal, Stan)
2) Utah (12-4) (WSU, UW)
3) Oregon (12-5) (OSU)
4) UCLA (10-7) (USC)
5) Stanford (9-7) (ASU, UA)
6) OSU (8-9) (UO)
7) Cal (7-9) (UA, ASU)
8) ASU (7-9) (Stan, Cal)
9) Colorado (6-10) (UW, WSU)
10) WSU (6-10) (UU, CU)
11) UW (4-12) (CU, UU)
12 USC (3-14) (UCLA)

The top 4 seeds are pretty much locked in at this point. There would have to be some unexpected results during the final week to change the order. With that being said, as per usual, 5-10 are in total flux.

CU's best possible standing could be 7 I believe (correct me if I am wrong) based on tie breakers. Worst I believe would be 11th, but that would be unlikely because UW would have to beat Utah. Best possible scenario imo would be to either win both of our games and have the rest of the standings shake out to put us at 7 or beat UW and lose to WSU in order to possibly play UU in the 2nd round.

Looking past the Pac-12 Tournament though, best case would be to definitely win both of our final games, get to .500 and hopefully grab an NIT bid.
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If CU beats UW and loses to WSU, and if ASU or Cal loses their 2 games (likely one of them will), could be a 3-way tie for 8th. Maybe not worth figuring yet, but is the tie-breaker straightforward?
 
aghcsm said:
If CU beats UW and loses to WSU, and if ASU or Cal loses their 2 games (likely one of them will), could be a 3-way tie for 8th. Maybe not worth figuring yet, but is the tie-breaker straightforward?
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Tie-Breakers: Tie breaking procedures for determining all tournament seeding will be:
1. Two-team tie
a. Results of head-to-head competition during the regular season.
b. Each team’s record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the !nal regular standings, and then continuing down through the standings until one
team gains an advantage.
When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that
group’s own tie-breaking procedure), rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
c. Won-lost percentage against all Division I opponents.
d. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.

2. Multiple-team tie
a. Results of collective head-to-head competition during the regular season among the tied teams.
b. If more than two teams are still tied, each of the tied team’s record vs. the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings, and
then continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.
When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team’s record against the collective tied teams as a group (prior to that
group’s own tie-breaking procedure), rather than the performance against individual tied teams.
If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
c. Won-lost percentage against all Division I opponents.
d. Coin toss conducted by the Commissioner or designee.
 
Best option seems to be win both remaining games, finish 7th (with some other pieces falling our way) and get Wazzu as the 10 seed. I prefer facing Wazzu over Cal or ASU.
 
CVilleBuff said:
Best option seems to win both remaining games, finish 7th (with some other pieces falling our way) and get Wazzu as the 10 seed. I prefer facing Wazzu over Cal or ASU.
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I kinda would like ASU, just so we could get a group of fans behind the ASU bench and see how mad we could make Herb.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
I kinda would like ASU, just so we could get a group of fans behind the ASU bench and see how mad we could make Herb.
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I look at it this way.. *roughly*:

(on neutral court)

Wazzu: CU has a better than 50/50 chance
ASU: Damn near right on 50/50
Cal (given their recent form): Less than 50/50 for CU.
 
We can finish no higher than 8th. Its feasible we could end up tied with any or all of the below teams:

Cal:
They beat us.

Oregon State:
They beat us, and they also have a win over Arizona (Yes, thats assuming UA sweeps the Bay Area at home this weekend-seems like a pretty safe bet)

Arizona State:
We split with them, but they have the tiebreaker because they have a win over Arizona and we don't.

We can go no higher than 8th, because we can't jump OSU (they play Oregon at home this week) and both Cal and ASU (the Bay Area goes to Arizona this week)
 
ahoelsken said:
We can finish no higher than 8th. Its feasible we could end up tied with any or all of the below teams:

Cal:
They beat us.

Oregon State:
They beat us, and they also have a win over Arizona (Yes, thats assuming UA sweeps the Bay Area at home this weekend-seems like a pretty safe bet)

Arizona State:
We split with them, but they have the tiebreaker because they have a win over Arizona and we don't.

We can go no higher than 8th, because we can't jump OSU (they play Oregon at home this week) and both Cal and ASU (the Bay Area goes to Arizona this week)
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So the only benefit to winning both games this week would be for overall record and NIT prospects. The better option for the Pac-12 tournament would be to lose to WSU and grab the 10th seed for Vegas.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
So the only benefit to winning both games this week would be for overall record and NIT prospects. The better option for the Pac-12 tournament would be to lose to WSU and grab the 10th seed for Vegas.
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Possibly. I think we probably will get an invite to the CBI-they'll take any power conference teams they can get (Craig Robinson's Oregon State teams were a mainstay in it). We should play in it if that happens, but from what I hear, I doubt we will.
 
ahoelsken said:
Possibly. I think we probably will get an invite to the CBI-they'll take any power conference teams they can get (Craig Robinson's Oregon State teams were a mainstay in it). We should play in it if that happens, but from what I hear, I doubt we will.
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Too much risk vs reward for CBI bids. If we lose first round in CBI ala OSU, that looks really really bad.
 
'Tini said:
Tinkle is on another level this years though, extremely impressive
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Tinkle of OSU should be in the mix for national coach of the year for my money. 7 players currently on scholarship. Amazing.
 
I'd be intrigued by the CBI because of the 30 second shot clock they're using this year. However, given our situation we presumably just call it a year if we don't make it to 16-16.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I'd be intrigued by the CBI because of the 30 second shot clock they're using this year. However, given our situation we presumably just call it a year if we don't make it to 16-16.
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That will give us more possessions to dribble around for a while then kick it to askia with 7 seconds left.
 
Is anyone going this year? My wife and I are going and I was wondering if anyone knows about fan meet and greet/photo ops kinda things. I have been on the p 12 and CU websites and havent found anything, but I seem to remember these types of events in the past.

Also is there an active market for selling tickets we wont use? I cant imagine going to all of those games. Stub Hub? Standing in the lobby with my tix?

thanks
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Too much risk vs reward for CBI bids. If we lose first round in CBI ala OSU, that looks really really bad.
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What? Look really really bad to whom? No one watches that crap other than the fans of the teams playing. If you are in the CBI, you look really really bad already. There's really not much to lose.
 
Heywood said:
Is anyone going this year? My wife and I are going and I was wondering if anyone knows about fan meet and greet/photo ops kinda things. I have been on the p 12 and CU websites and havent found anything, but I seem to remember these types of events in the past.

Also is there an active market for selling tickets we wont use? I cant imagine going to all of those games. Stub Hub? Standing in the lobby with my tix?

thanks
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They are doing an event like 2.5 hours before each game at the Hard Rock. Not sure I will attend those but a buddy who is a Utah grad and I are going to the tourney.
 
Daaah said:
What? Look really really bad to whom? No one watches that crap other than the fans of the teams playing. If you are in the CBI, you look really really bad already. There's really not much to lose.
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Any excuse to play more games. This team needs it. We need to find a PG for next year, and what better way to do it than to play some meaningless postseason basketball this year?
 
Daaah said:
What? Look really really bad to whom? No one watches that crap other than the fans of the teams playing. If you are in the CBI, you look really really bad already. There's really not much to lose.
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When a big boy team plays and loses it gets some run. We don't want to be there
 
1 Zona
2 Utah
3 Oregon
4 UCLA
5/6 Stanford/ASU
6/7 ASU/OSU
8/9 Cal/Colorado
10 Wazzu
11 Wash
12 USC

I will be thoroughly surprised if Arizona or Utah don't win the tourney...they're that much better than the rest of the conference.
 
Utes were hungover from their loss to Arizona but were able to grind out a win in Pullman. Wazzu is not a good basketball team, but they do get hot on occasion and then they become very difficult to deal with. You don't know what you're going to get from them. They've defeated Oregon, Stanford and Arizona State in Pullman yet let Washington come in and beat them for UW's only win in 2 months. They have lost close games @ UCLA and now at home to Utah in their most recent 2 games. What's clear to me is that while Wazzu isn't a good basketball team, they haven't given up like their in-state rivals. They're playing hard and scraping for wins. Senior Night makes it even more difficult. Absolutely a winnable game, but it's unlikely it will be the cakewalk Washington proved to be.

ASU beat Stanford. Stanford is now 18-11 (9-8) with @ Arizona as their final game. Assuming Stanford doesn't pull off a miraculous win in Tucson, their Dance hopes are as good as done…perhaps a run to the Pac12 final could save them. .500 in this weak Pac12 won't cut it and there are no wins that wow you. Swept by fellow Pac12 bubbler UCLA, to make matters worse. It is going to be one crowded Pac12 NIT field. I'd love to join it. Wishful thinking, but control what we can control by winning games.
 
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