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Meanwhile Back In Westwood....

This isn't good for the PAC.

I want the Buffs winning the conference every year now that we have Tad and can actually imagine it happening. At the same time like any conference the value of winning it depends on who you beat to get there.

UCLA is on of the "Name" programs in the country. Zona has been a better program for a number of years now but for the casual fan nationally UCLA is the conference school they think of for BB.

With the combination of their location, history, and resources you would think that UCLA could be competitive without cheating but this isn't close to the first time they have been pointed out as cheaters. Be interesting to see what goes down.

Also considering the strength of the sanctions that SC got there is going to be pressure on the NCAA to come down on UCLA as well. If they are found guilty it could get ugly. Being in LA in a media center won't let it blow away either.
 
This isn't good for the PAC, but if we continue winning under Tad we could put ourselves in a position to clean up in Souther Cali recruiting if UCLA gets whacked with sanctions.
 
SuperD said:
This isn't good for the PAC, but if we continue winning under Tad we could put ourselves in a position to clean up in Souther Cali recruiting if UCLA gets whacked with sanctions.
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Yep. There's a huge opening if UCLA gets hit hard. It's not necessarily the way I'd like to get there, but CTB could have this team as mainstays amongst the conference elite really quickly.
 
F*** UCLA....they get what they deserve if they are cheating. I want to dominate this conference and not watch UCLA cheat their way to winning it
 
I think this begs a big question of their coaching staff and leadership. Why would a school like UCLA have to cheat? This brings up the conversation we had before about Calipari cheating. At UCLA or Kentucky for Calipari's case, why would cheating be needed? They have a great tradition, in the recent past a proven record of getting to the Final Four, great facilities, they arent located in Kansas, I mean really, they didnt need to cheat to get their people.

With that said, screw them
 
GoBuffs!! said:
I think this begs a big question of their coaching staff and leadership. Why would a school like UCLA have to cheat? This brings up the conversation we had before about Calipari cheating. At UCLA or Kentucky for Calipari's case, why would cheating be needed? They have a great tradition, in the recent past a proven record of getting to the Final Four, great facilities, they arent located in Kansas, I mean really, they didnt need to cheat to get their people.

With that said, screw them
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It's the same reason Kiffen cheats at SC in FB. It is in their character, they think if they aren't cheating they aren't trying. They think if they don't do it somebody else will be and will get an edge on them.

It's one thing to cheat if you are Baylor. That may be the only way you can improve your lot in life. For a school like UCLA that sits in the middle of a bunch of 5* kids who don't need much reminding to dream of playing there cheating should never be needed but they will do it anyways because they are afraid of what others might do.
 
I will be disappointed if we aren't able to see these three freshman on the court this year. I was looking forward to seeing what kind of job Howland does with this team and was looking forward to watching Bazz/Anderson. If they really did cheat I really don't get it as UCLA should never have to cheat to haul in a good recruiting class.
 
air-zona said:
I will be disappointed if we aren't able to see these three freshman on the court this year. I was looking forward to seeing what kind of job Howland does with this team and was looking forward to watching Bazz/Anderson. If they really did cheat I really don't get it as UCLA should never have to cheat to haul in a good recruiting class.
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Exactly. I think I could recruit a top 25 class to UCLA and I would need help to diagram a 2-3 matchup zone. :lol:
 
Buffnik said:
Exactly. I think I could recruit a top 25 class to UCLA and I would need help to diagram a 2-3 matchup zone. :lol:
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Ya well, you do know the ins and outs of hookers and blow. So I don't think that would help UCLA all that much :huh:
 
GoBuffs!! said:
I think this begs a big question of their coaching staff and leadership. Why would a school like UCLA have to cheat? This brings up the conversation we had before about Calipari cheating. At UCLA or Kentucky for Calipari's case, why would cheating be needed? They have a great tradition, in the recent past a proven record of getting to the Final Four, great facilities, they arent located in Kansas, I mean really, they didnt need to cheat to get their people.

With that said, screw them
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agreed.. screw them... but in regards to cheating....in the minds of the asst coaches/recruiters/scouts, its a fine line and if calipari is after someone, but that someone has both hoops skills, hoops mind and an academic mind, he might opt for a school like Duke... now for the PAC12, CU is living proof of heisting 4-5 quality hoops players, w/ brains and integrity out of Southern Cal.... without cheating.... so w/ that said... it never pays to cheat... especially if you get caught :bang:
 
Kind of interesting that apparently this whole wider investigation was triggered by another school ratting UCLA out. Several posters on UCLA boards seem to be insinuating that the coach/school in question was the media's favorite coach / rhymes with Duke.

This type of thing really makes me question whether we should be be fighting to go after the elite talent tier, or be happy to get the mid-Top 100 high 4* guys. You really have to be willing to swim in shark infested waters to go after those Top 10-20 guys.
 
SuperD said:
Kind of interesting that apparently this whole wider investigation was triggered by another school ratting UCLA out. Several posters on UCLA boards seem to be insinuating that the coach/school in question was the media's favorite coach / rhymes with Duke.

This type of thing really makes me question whether we should be be fighting to go after the elite talent tier, or be happy to get the mid-Top 100 high 4* guys. You really have to be willing to swim in shark infested waters to go after those Top 10-20 guys.
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To be the best you have to go after the best. You can't be scared off of the elite guys by the idea that some of your competitors will be cheating. Some of those players will be influenced by the cheating, to bad and move on. Others will look at the cheating and instead decide to go where they are most comfortable and where the situation is best for them regardless of the cheating. Most of these guys believe that their next stop is the league anyways. They are going to get their money soon enough.

Go after the guys you want first. If they aren't going to be available then go for the next best group, who are also going to be targeted by lower profile schools who are willing to cheat to move up. It isn't just the top 10-20 who are going to be targeted by the cheaters.
 
fwiw - Muhammed should be cleared to play. If the NCAA does rule him ineligible...I think they are in the wrong. The ties between his father, Ben Lincoln and Ken Kavanagh were known throughout his entire recruitment and well precede Shabazz's rise as a bball player. This is old news - what's interesting is that the NCAA still hasn't cleared him. I attribute this more to the NCAA's lack of know-how than anything. Of course, perhaps there are more details than we all know, but Muhammed should be cleared to play based on all the information that was coming forth during his recruitment. (there are some things with Adidas, but I think that has always been a stretch too...)

Rumors are that another team provided the details regarding Parker and Anderson, and who knows which team did that (many teams were involved in all three players' recruitment). Rumor also is that Parker at the least has been cleared, and Anderson may have been as well.
 
MtnBuff said:
To be the best you have to go after the best. You can't be scared off of the elite guys by the idea that some of your competitors will be cheating. Some of those players will be influenced by the cheating, to bad and move on. Others will look at the cheating and instead decide to go where they are most comfortable and where the situation is best for them regardless of the cheating. Most of these guys believe that their next stop is the league anyways. They are going to get their money soon enough.

Go after the guys you want first. If they aren't going to be available then go for the next best group, who are also going to be targeted by lower profile schools who are willing to cheat to move up. It isn't just the top 10-20 who are going to be targeted by the cheaters.
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Again we are coming back to is it better to have a team of solid 4 year players, or a hand full of superstar one and dones. And I stick with truely great teams are built on solid 4 year players, but have one or two superstars to put them over the top. I think this is exactly what boyle is doing, he is reaching out to the 5* superstars, but not banking the entire recruiting cycle on those guys, but he is now in the picture where in a year or two he will be able to land one here and there. Should be an exciting run
 
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