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Notre Dame to join the ACC ....
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What a bull**** arrangement. I can't believe a major conference like ACC allowed them to join as a non-football member.
yikes. not good for the Big East. Good in that it prevents a shake up anywhere else though.
It´s the first step. It´s gonna become cost prohibitive for NBC to extend the contract at one point ...
Interesting.
I'm not sure how this is going to shake out. Apparently, ND isn't either so they're taking a money grab without committing the football program. ACC's a good fit for them, but will the ACC be a major football conference when the dust settles?
I'm not sure how this is going to shake out. Apparently, ND isn't either so they're taking a money grab without committing the football program. ACC's a good fit for them, but will the ACC be a major football conference when the dust settles?
At this point it´s pretty much inevitable the ACC, Pac 12, Big 12, SEC (thanks, Wispy, smartass) and B1G will be the "big" conferences left standing when the snow melts. The ACC also increased the exit fees to $50m, which - as Snow said - prevents a shakeup.
I have said this before, but this is both a blessing and problem going forward for the Pac 12. There is no room for the Pac 12 to expand should the need arise. You have a natural border in the Pacific to the West and there really isn´t anyone worthwhile that truly adds "value" left to poach from the East or within the Pac´s Washingto/Colorado/Southern California footprint.
I think you forgot a pretty "big" conference.
Yes, but it on the other hand tells you all about their status when I don´t even think about them here as a conference members could possibly be poached from.
yeah .............. Mountain West bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BuffNut99
Club Member
Yeah, forgot the $EC there.
I don't see this as a long term solution for Notre Dame, just something to keep them idling for another 5-7 years. Once again, here are the rules for everyone else, and here are the rules for Notre Dame.
Bingo.
This is a pussy move on both sides. ND gets away without joining a conference full-fledged in football, and the ACC buckles and allows them to join without football. So what that they'll be playing 5 ACC teams every year, big deal, they play 3 Big Ten teams every year. And they're already playing 4 ACC teams this year and last year (counting Pitt) so that's not that big of a deal. And people are praising Swofford and the ACC for making a great move, what a joke.
The NBC contract is up for renewal in 2015 .... those discussions will be interesting, I´d guess.
What do Louisville, UConn and Georgetown do going forward with basketball?
They did end up increasing the exit fees to 3x the operating budget (supposed to be in the region of 50m) - maybe that was what they truly wanted and they had to do the ND deal to get that? Increasing the exit fees stabilizes the conference for the foreseeable future.
That part was big because it greatly reduces the chances of schools like FSU, Clemson, or VT going to the Big 12 or the SEC. Or the Big 10 from going after Maryland.
In the end, I think the Big East going away as a major football conference. The major domino is Notre Dame. Everyone, including the Pac-12, would love to add the Irish as part of the expansion plan. The wet dream expansion scenario for Larry Scott is to go into the Central time zone by adding Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Notre Dame. That would probably create an Eastern Division with those 4 plus CU, UU, ASU and UA. There are so many obstacles for making that happen, though. I still think the most likely path to 16 is OU, OSU, UT and TTU.
Yea I don't think there's any doubt that the Big East is going away as a major football conference. If they even continue to exist as a football conference they'll be on the level of the MWC or C-USA. Or maybe they can merge with Conference USA and become, well, Conference USA.
Yup, but that one is dead for a while with teams having to grant the B12 their rights for 10+ years or so.
I have no issue with it as I like the place we´re in, but the P12 - for better or worse - is most likely stuck with its current members until 2025 or so.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Notre Dame fits in perfectly with the ACC for all other sports. They excel at olympic sports where they'll fit right in with the UNC's and UVA's of the conference. The cultural differences are also gone, to some extent, now that the ACC has (unfortunately) brought in BC, Pitt and 'Cuse. Academically, ND fits in with Duke, UVA, UNC, BC, Wake Forest etc. I think they'll eventually become a full-fledged member in football but there's no telling when that will happen. The ACC is going to be left standing. Even before these new arrangements, no ACC schools were going anywhere.
John Swofford still sucks though.
And for the record, Gene Corrigan, who lives here in Charlottesville has been pushing heavily for ND to the ACC for months.
John Swofford still sucks though.
And for the record, Gene Corrigan, who lives here in Charlottesville has been pushing heavily for ND to the ACC for months.
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I might be the only one that thinks so, but I think this kills the 16-team conference momentum for a long time.
NBC will be more than willing to re-up with Notre Dame, given that the traditional ND rivalries will continue with 5 ND-ACC games to boot. Obviously the ACC is fine with the arrangement, so I don't see any reason to see anything stop ND from making another long-term deal with NBC. With ND off the table, I don't see the B1G, ACC or SEC pushing to make any further moves, meaning that the Big 12 won't be able to react and the Pac won't need to react.
NBC will be more than willing to re-up with Notre Dame, given that the traditional ND rivalries will continue with 5 ND-ACC games to boot. Obviously the ACC is fine with the arrangement, so I don't see any reason to see anything stop ND from making another long-term deal with NBC. With ND off the table, I don't see the B1G, ACC or SEC pushing to make any further moves, meaning that the Big 12 won't be able to react and the Pac won't need to react.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
This also leaves room for one more member in the ACC. There was one Big 12 school that recently talked with the ACC and that would be none other than Texas. They have Norte Dame and Maryland on the schedule down the road. The money they make from home football games plus the LHN might make it possible to take the revenue hit but I don't think that will happen with the state legislators in the same town when it comes to higher ed funding. And I forgot to mention that UT would be a heck of a brand if they went independent.
I was recently looking at the revenues that UT gains in football and looked at basketball and compared it to Kansas. The Longhorns still made $5 million more than KU made in 2010-11. And also four times the money that CU made in basketball but that gap will go down. I'm going to take a look at the ACC schools when I have some time and then compare. Given that money UT makes in basketball alone, it's no secret why UT is able to maintain a strong basketball team. They would be able to compete in the ACC in basketball.
It's of no secret that the ACC is the east coast version of the Pac-12 and Pac-12 is the west coast version of the ACC. I am not talking just about sports but I'm talking about academics. The recent additions of WVU and TCU does not help the Big 12's case to retain UT once the Big 12's media contract is up for renewal. I don't think it helped the Big 12's case with ND either. Conferences are about who you are with and that is what Benson said and the reason why my idea of CU going to the MWC looks silly. That would also explain UT's interest in the Pac-12, B1G, and ACC at this point.
The LHN airs games of the other UT schools in its system and also was going to air Texas Tech-Texas State until TT threw a fit about that. You have UTEP, UTSA, and UTA to begin with which would be enough athletic programming in case UT's non-football sports had to agree to be part of the ACC Network and the ACC's contract with ESPN. I'm not sure how Texas State fits into that picture but given that they were working to get the TT game on the LHN, it's possible. It might have been due to the ESPN-WAC contract. UT also has enough football history to fill up some slots on the LHN as well.
UT will be eventually part of the ACC in the 2020s. The clock is ticking on the Big 12 schools to make themselves attractive to the B1G, Pac-12, SEC, and most important of all, UT. I would not be shocked if UT had an indirect impact on ND's move to the ACC.
I was recently looking at the revenues that UT gains in football and looked at basketball and compared it to Kansas. The Longhorns still made $5 million more than KU made in 2010-11. And also four times the money that CU made in basketball but that gap will go down. I'm going to take a look at the ACC schools when I have some time and then compare. Given that money UT makes in basketball alone, it's no secret why UT is able to maintain a strong basketball team. They would be able to compete in the ACC in basketball.
It's of no secret that the ACC is the east coast version of the Pac-12 and Pac-12 is the west coast version of the ACC. I am not talking just about sports but I'm talking about academics. The recent additions of WVU and TCU does not help the Big 12's case to retain UT once the Big 12's media contract is up for renewal. I don't think it helped the Big 12's case with ND either. Conferences are about who you are with and that is what Benson said and the reason why my idea of CU going to the MWC looks silly. That would also explain UT's interest in the Pac-12, B1G, and ACC at this point.
The LHN airs games of the other UT schools in its system and also was going to air Texas Tech-Texas State until TT threw a fit about that. You have UTEP, UTSA, and UTA to begin with which would be enough athletic programming in case UT's non-football sports had to agree to be part of the ACC Network and the ACC's contract with ESPN. I'm not sure how Texas State fits into that picture but given that they were working to get the TT game on the LHN, it's possible. It might have been due to the ESPN-WAC contract. UT also has enough football history to fill up some slots on the LHN as well.
UT will be eventually part of the ACC in the 2020s. The clock is ticking on the Big 12 schools to make themselves attractive to the B1G, Pac-12, SEC, and most important of all, UT. I would not be shocked if UT had an indirect impact on ND's move to the ACC.
kalbuff
New Member
As an ND grad I guess I have gotten used to this level (low) of input. The real force behind ND football remaining independent in football is TV. And I submit there isn't a school in the land that would act differently than Notre Dame if they had the chance. But the influence of television is supreme at all levels of football.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Or they just take Rutgers. Rutgers fits the mold with lacrosse and all that, and it's no secret at this point that Swofford has a fetish for northeastern schools (for some reason). Rutgers is more capable than anyone of bringing the mythical NYC market - especially combined with Syracuse. Maryland is also pissed about the current alignment, being "rivals" with Pittsburgh. Totally uninteresting. Rutgers gives Maryland a rival. (Maryland thinks they're rivals with Virginia, but Virginia focuses elsewhere).
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I've also read that Rutgers is the most likely candidate if the ACC decides to go to 16 schools.
Regarding the new $50 million exit fee, FSU voted against it:
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1408459
Regarding the new $50 million exit fee, FSU voted against it:
http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1408459
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Can't blame them, it's a little over the top.
And yeah, as I mentioned in my previous post. All info I've heard points to Rutgers.
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:rofl: Ya right. It' just a coincidence that Punitive cancellation clauses generally do not hold up in court.