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Offensive Line Improvement/Recruiting (pruned from Lynott thread)

BuffTuff

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'Tini said:
Maybe someday people will give the OL some credit. We don't need Lynott to come in and play as a 18 year old unless he is a star.
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True. Our OL as a whole was/is not as bad as everyone seems to think. Do we have a couple guys that are nothing more than adequate and others that barely get by? Of course, we went 0 fer in the PAC 12 I get it. But this theory that 18 year olds are going to step in at all positions and take us to the next level is dumb. Especially, considering that our recruits are not top 3 rated at their position overall HS level.

We we need to get back to looking at these kids as redshirting until proven otherwise or unless their play in camp is clearly head and shoulders above upperclassmen. Otherwise, redshirt all of them every year (crazy injuries not considered)
 
BuffTuff said:
True. Our OL as a whole was/is not as bad as everyone seems to think. Do we have a couple guys that are nothing more than adequate and others that barely get by? Of course, we went 0 fer in the PAC 12 I get it. But this theory that 18 year olds are going to step in at all positions and take us to the next level is dumb. Especially, considering that our recruits are not top 3 rated at their position overall HS level.

We we need to get back to looking at these kids as redshirting until proven otherwise or unless their play in camp is clearly head and shoulders above upperclassmen. Otherwise, redshirt all of them every year (crazy injuries not considered)
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Who are the OL who are just adequate?
 
'Tini said:
Who are the OL who are just adequate?
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They are all average P12 starters. So much better than we've had in years prior, but they are not a great unit and 2 of them are not coming back. That, to me, means they are adequate.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Nembot? Come on dude. The OL was better than expected, but going from crap to adequate is what we are looking at here.
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Nembot's an NFL player, I'd say he's better than adequate. I'm not saying we have a OL full of stars, but we have a pretty good set of players on the line
 
'Tini said:
Nembot's an NFL player, I'd say he's better than adequate. I'm not saying we have a OL full of stars, but we have a pretty good set of players on the line
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Nembot will get drafted on potential and measurables, not performance. That is a fact. He definitely improved this year, but again went from crap to adequate, and he still had a ton of WTF moments.


Anyway this is getting the thread off topic, mods please trim.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Nembot will get drafted on potential and measurables, not performance. That is a fact.
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Nembot: CU fans' favorite punching bag

Of course the NFL drafts based off of potential partially, that doesn't mean he isn't a good tackle in college.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Nembot? Come on dude. The OL was better than expected, but going from crap to adequate is what we are looking at here.
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I've become a Nembot fan. He was one of the best RTs in the Pac-12 by the end of the year.

I'd say Kelley was "adequate" at center, but he did improve every week. I think he'll be above average next season.

Irwin was adequate. I still think he's playing out of position as a LT and is really a RT or even an OG.

Crabb and Munyer were adequate/solid but I thought we should have gotten more out of 5th year seniors that had as many game snaps as those guys. I'm not worried that we'll take a step back there. Kelley should be able to diagnose the defense to make the calls, so the guards just need to be more physically imposing and I'm confident they will be.
 
Huckin, Kronshage and Kough all performed well with limited opportunities. I like Huckin versatility. He can play all of the positions on the OL. I wouldn't be shocked if both Huckin and Kough start next year. I would prefer that no freshman start on the OL. Usually takes about 1 or 2 years in College to mature into the position.
 
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Pardon if this is a bit off topic, but wasn't there a rumor flying around about another Colorado kid coming back from a major conference team ala Callahan? Maybe they get in the mix too.
 
skinsfan55 said:
Pardon if this is a bit off topic, but wasn't there a rumor flying around about another Colorado kid coming back from a major conference team ala Callahan? Maybe they get in the mix too.
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Yes. But it would be a transfer and therefore would have to sit out 2015 due to NCAA rules. Would be strongly in the mix for starting in 2016 if it happened.
 
'Tini said:
At some point people need to give Nembot credit
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A three year starter that cannot crack conference HM? Nothing wrong with that, but it is a statement about the overall quality and depth CU has been dealing with. Nembot improved. The OL was part of a rushing attack that avg. 4.1 ypc, not too shabby at all. But pass pro issues abound....still. Irwin and Kelley show promise. Crabb was there. Nembot and Munyer played well at times, others not so much. CU is a long ways from Gurode, Rogers, Lucier, Bedell, et al.
 
I said it in the Lynott thread and will repeat it here. I saw improvement from game one to the last game with this unit. Can't say that with a lot of other positions. I am confident we will be good to very good on the online next year. Maybe best we've had in a very long time.
 
leftybuff said:
A three year starter that cannot crack conference HM? Nothing wrong with that, but it is a statement about the overall quality and depth CU has been dealing with. Nembot improved. The OL was part of a rushing attack that avg. 4.1 ypc, not too shabby at all. But pass pro issues abound....still. Irwin and Kelley show promise. Crabb was there. Nembot and Munyer played well at times, others not so much. CU is a long ways from Gurode, Rogers, Lucier, Bedell, et al.
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People keep saying pass pro has been a issue yet we were top 10 in lowest adjusted sack rate. Sure some were because Sefo has a good feel for pressure but we threw a **** ton and gave up few sacks. The worst part of the OL was the lack of push and by the end of the year we were pushing Utah very good DL.

The refusal for people to give props to Nembot is amazing. Yes he has struggled in his early years, but this year he was one of the best tackles in the conference.
 
'Tini said:
People keep saying pass pro has been a issue yet we were top 10 in lowest adjusted sack rate. Sure some were because Sefo has a good feel for pressure but we threw a **** ton and gave up few sacks. The worst part of the OL was the lack of push and by the end of the year we were pushing Utah very good DL.

The refusal for people to give props to Nembot is amazing. Yes he has struggled in his early years, but this year he was one of the best tackles in the conference.
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Well, that explains all the post-season honors for Nembot. I think you are on a lonely island when you say he was one of the best tackles in the conference. If I am wrong direct me to the place where someone other than CU recognized him as being on any kind of post-season honor roll.

Look, I am glad for the improvement the OL showed, but Sefo was throwing a gazillion short passes (bubble screen to infinity), why? Because he almost never had more than three seconds before he got knocked into next Thursday. Kid is tough as nails, and he took a ****load of shots. Lindgren deserves the credit for scheming the pass game to where it would work.
 
leftybuff said:
Well, that explains all the post-season honors for Nembot. I think you are on a lonely island when you say he was one of the best tackles in the conference. If I am wrong direct me to the place where someone other than CU recognized him as being on any kind of post-season honor roll.

Look, I am glad for the improvement the OL showed, but Sefo was throwing a gazillion short passes (bubble screen to infinity), why? Because he almost never had more than three seconds before he got knocked into next Thursday. Kid is tough as nails, and he took a ****load of shots. Lindgren deserves the credit for scheming the pass game to where it would work.
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Did you miss Nik's post where he said Nembot was one of the best tackles in the Pac 12? I'm obviously not going to convince you differently, but you sound a lot like people who don't give Ski the credit he deserves.
 
'Tini said:
Did you miss Nik's post where he said Nembot was one of the best tackles in the Pac 12? I'm obviously not going to convince you differently, but you sound a lot like people who don't give Ski the credit he deserves.
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I said "one of the best RTs in the Pac-12 by the end of the year".

1. My opinion is not evidence in support of an argument.
2. I limited my opinion to RTs.
3. I limited my opinion to "by the end of the season".

I believe that Nembot progressed to become an excellent player. I believe the lightbulb came on. I also believe that if you look at the body of work for the entire season that Nembot did not deserve any all-conference accolades.

I am confident that Nembot would give CU a matchup advantage in almost every game in 2015.
 
Buffnik said:
I said "one of the best RTs in the Pac-12 by the end of the year".

1. My opinion is not evidence in support of an argument.
2. I limited my opinion to RTs.
3. I limited my opinion to "by the end of the season".

I believe that Nembot progressed to become an excellent player. I believe the lightbulb came on. I also believe that if you look at the body of work for the entire season that Nembot did not deserve any all-conference accolades.

I am confident that Nembot would give CU a matchup advantage in almost every game in 2015.
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I to limited it to just RT as well (should have stated that) and I also agree that he struggled early on, but so did the rest of the OL. But by the end of the year he had made the biggest leap forward out of any of the OL we have and became a very good player.
 
'Tini said:
I to limited it to just RT as well (should have stated that) and I also agree that he struggled early on, but so did the rest of the OL. But by the end of the year he had made the biggest leap forward out of any of the OL we have and became a very good player.
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Is this 'Tini almost admitting he was wrong?
 
'Tini said:
Did you miss Nik's post where he said Nembot was one of the best tackles in the Pac 12? I'm obviously not going to convince you differently, but you sound a lot like people who don't give Ski the credit he deserves.
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Farging A, can't you at least stick to the same sport?
 
leftybuff said:
Well, that explains all the post-season honors for Nembot. I think you are on a lonely island when you say he was one of the best tackles in the conference. If I am wrong direct me to the place where someone other than CU recognized him as being on any kind of post-season honor roll.

Look, I am glad for the improvement the OL showed, but Sefo was throwing a gazillion short passes (bubble screen to infinity), why? Because he almost never had more than three seconds before he got knocked into next Thursday. Kid is tough as nails, and he took a ****load of shots. Lindgren deserves the credit for scheming the pass game to where it would work.
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I agree mostly with what you are saying. But the post season awards are mostly given to the people on the pre-season award list unless your team does something awesome. Its going to be tough for a OL on a 2 win team get a lot of pub, even if he was dominant. I do think he was very good this year, and next year he will be one of the best in the conference.
 
Darth Snow said:
oh, ok, nevermind then. Settle down everyone.
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This topic is an opinion and something that no one can prove one way or the other, I just disagree with lefty on Nembot
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Plus I'm avoiding studying right now
 
I agree, by the end of the season Nembot was one of the 12 best RTs in the PAC.

He got a lot better than he was the prior year. He still has to many Ole plays, run blocking was a plus, pass pro was inconsistent at best. The sack percentage was low because Sefo got rid of the ball fast.

To his credit Nembot does have NFL athletic ability and he continues to work hard to develop it.

Irwin to me was a pleasant surprise at LT. He had some breakdowns but learned quickly, showed a nasty streak, and handled the toughest position on the line reasonably well. This is even more impressive considering that he missed all of last year with an injury and didn't play much the year before so he was coming in green. The injury also kept him our of the weight room for much of the year. This off-season he should be able to work on a lot of things and could come back as our most improved lineman next season.

If he doesn't it will be because Kelley also got a chance to build on a season of playing young and a chance to physically develop as well. I saw a lot of plays with him this year where he did the right thing and was simply overpowered and couldn't complete his block. Give him another year in the S&C program, put another 10-20 quality lbs. on him, give him another spring practice to work on technique and mastering the position at this level and he could be a solid PAC level center.

Kough and Kronsage also both played well for young guys in their first real action. Neither backed down and both showed some promise.

Significantly we are on the right track on the OL. In recent years we have been trying to find five guys to put out there that wouldn't embarass us. Next year barring some major injury issues we will have some guys on the bench who can play in addition to our starters, a huge step forward.
 
'Tini said:
No, but I am agreeing with Nik that he struggled early on. By the end of the season he was one of the best RT's in the Pac 12.


Why does it matter? Both players receive a ton of flack for a lot of times no reason.
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I see your point, I like pineapple on my pizza, why doesn't everybody else?
 
Tadploe said:
Why very little talk about Dillon Middlemiss and his future at C.U.?
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Middlemiss doesn't like the spotlight, so he hasn't given many interviews. Between that and being an OL (likely not to play for a while), it's hard to emphasize him. I really like him, though. Kind of OL that CU needs to be recruiting and landing. Important "get" for CU this year.
 
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