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"One and Done" rule - with a quote from Tad

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http://www.baxterbulletin.com/usatoday/article/5552163&usatref=sportsmod

"It tarnishes what we're trying to do as coaches; it tarnishes the idea that kids are here to get an education," Colorado coach Tad Boyle says. "It just does. People know it. That's why there are so many people it upsets, and people don't like it. I don't know of any person I've ever talked to who says, 'I like the one-and-done.'"

NBA leadership may be favoring a 2-year rule and don't want to have to scout high schools. College leaders seem to like the idea of college being at least a 2-year commitment and agree with the NBA union which favors athletes being able to turn pro without having to go to college. Also discussed is the baseball rule (if you don't go pro after high school, the college scholarship is a 3-year commitment before you're eligible.)
 
I like the 3-year rule. If you want to go to the NBA right after high school -- go. But if you go to college, you have to stay in college for at least 3 years.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
I like the 3-year rule. If you want to go to the NBA right after high school -- go. But if you go to college, you have to stay in college for at least 3 years.
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I like this idea as well, but would set the duration to two years, here's why. If it becomes a mandatory three year commitment I believe that opportunistic GMs will start signing prospects to the d-league out of High School and circumventing the rule that way. It would lead to a watering down of NCAA Hoops and kids would choose that route due to the strings attached with being a college player.
 
There's only a handful of one and done's each year. Keeping guys like Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins on campus for one more year won't do much good
 
sliderNcider said:
There's only a handful of one and done's each year. Keeping guys like Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins on campus for one more year won't do much good
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I agree to an extent, Slider. There are select few who can actually make the jump after one year.

However, if the rule is changed, we will see instances where young hs'ers will get bad advice from people looking to cash in off the youngster, and the kid will go undrafted or will not succeed in the d-league.

One other caveat is that I'm pretty confident that the overseas leagues aren't willing to scout the US high schools. They are aware of our college players, tho. It's to the kids advantage to go the college route for the exposure.
 
My main consideration is that I don't want NBA scouts and dirty agents in high school & AAU gyms. It's a Pandora's Box in terms of what can happen with screwing a kid who isn't draftable out of his NCAA eligibility or getting college programs in trouble for playing guys who had been having dealings with an agent.

I like the 2-year rule. Basically, the NBA union just needs to set the age to become a member at 20.
 
The transfer rules and their inconsistencies are a bigger issue imo. Like slider said, there's only 4-5 players that are really one and done. It is not something that even effects Tad Boyle and this team, at this point. To me, there's no reason to expect kids that are ready to play in the NBA to stick around for 2 years. You have a bunch of disinterested kids more often then not. And one bad injury screws a kid out of being drafted; I don't like it. At the very least, if we are expecting kids to stick around for 2-3 years, then it damn well better be a requirement that the colleges stick with kids for 4 years
 
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I like the way MLB does it. Free to enter out of high school, but if you go to college, you have to stay for 3 years.
 
Buffnik said:
My main consideration is that I don't want NBA scouts and dirty agents in high school & AAU gyms. It's a Pandora's Box in terms of what can happen with screwing a kid who isn't draftable out of his NCAA eligibility or getting college programs in trouble for playing guys who had been having dealings with an agent.

I like the 2-year rule. Basically, the NBA union just needs to set the age to become a member at 20.
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I'm with nik on this one.
 
rolandftw said:
The transfer rules and their inconsistencies are a bigger issue imo. Like slider said, there's only 4-5 players that are really one and done. It is not something that even effects Tad Boyle and this team, at this point. To me, there's no reason to expect kids that are ready to play in the NBA to stick around for 2 years. You have a bunch of disinterested kids more often then not. And one bad injury screws a kid out of being drafted; I don't like it. At the very least, if we are expecting kids to stick around for 2-3 years, then it damn well better be a requirement that the colleges stick with kids for 4 years
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The issue isn't the 4 or 5 who are legitimately NBA-ready at 18 or 19 years old. The issue, as stated in the article, is the culture this has created where all ESPN talks about is the freshmen, where even McDonald's All-Americans are talked about as disappointments if they stay in college for 2 or even - God Forbid - 3 or 4 years, and all that results in for the transfer issues (as mentioned) when highly-rated guys are leaving the school at which they signed because they don't like their minutes or they aren't the star getting showcased their first year or two on campus.

College basketball is suffering from the culture the one-and-done rule has created much more than from the actual number of guys who leave under the rule. A new culture where the norm is to stay in college for 2 or 3 years at a minimum would dramatically improve things.
 
Buffnik said:
My main consideration is that I don't want NBA scouts and dirty agents in high school & AAU gyms. It's a Pandora's Box in terms of what can happen with screwing a kid who isn't draftable out of his NCAA eligibility or getting college programs in trouble for playing guys who had been having dealings with an agent.

I like the 2-year rule. Basically, the NBA union just needs to set the age to become a member at 20.
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I think 2 year rule is better. 20 is just arbitrarily picking a number that can exclude a small minority of players who start school super early.
 
Tad also hammered the transfer rules today at the BCC luncheon. He did a good job of not throwing certain coaches (paging Mr. Altman and Mr. Sendak) under the bus, but you could tell he's not a big fan of their tactics to exploit the rule to the fullest. His best point was re: the grad transfer rule. His point was well made that NO ONE can get their graduate degree in just one year and most of these "rent a players" are not even going to classes 2nd semester. Hope hope we kill ASU tonight and wouldn't really care if some of their players got hurt.
 
^^It would be some sweet karma to see Scott give Bachynski a concussion tonight


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sliderNcider said:
There's only a handful of one and done's each year. Keeping guys like Jabari Parker and Andrew Wiggins on campus for one more year won't do much good
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Wiggins needs at least 1 more year has skills on the physical side but needs to catch up mentally unless sitting on an NBA bench and collect guaranteed money is what he prefers...most want to play right out of the chute which means the sooner they can get endorsement deals with Subway or Head & Shoulders.
 
Flatirons2 said:
Wiggins needs at least 1 more year has skills on the physical side but needs to catch up mentally unless sitting on an NBA bench and collect guaranteed money is what he prefers...most want to play right out of the chute which means the sooner they can get endorsement deals with Subway or Head & Shoulders.
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ALWAYS take the money. Andre Roberson spends 95% of his time in the D-league but he is still making almost a million dollars.

Wiggins will get drafted before #26.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
ALWAYS take the money.
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Yup. Which is why if the Mayor asked me, I'd ignore my own selfishness and tell him to go pro. Anyone honestly think that he won't play his way on to any roster even if he's not a frist round pick? Anyone think Marcus Smart is glad he came back? Go pro. You can always go back to college.
 
Buffnik said:
The issue, as stated in the article, is the culture this has created where all ESPN talks about is the freshmen, where even McDonald's All-Americans are talked about as disappointments if they stay in college for 2 or even - God Forbid - 3 or 4 years, and all that results in for the transfer issues (as mentioned) when highly-rated guys are leaving the school at which they signed because they don't like their minutes or they aren't the star getting showcased their first year or two on campus.
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Guess you might be watching or listening to different programs then I am. I'm certainly not hearing anything negative about Nick Johnson, despite him being a McDonalds All-American in his 3rd year. I'm not hearing from Arizona fans or on ESPN about how disappointing they find it that he hasn't been drafted yet. Maybe fans of any other University in the Conference, are disappointed though...

Now, maybe there are some incredibly uninformed basketball fans that think McDonalds's All-American means one and done, but that is on them. Top freshmen are going to always be hyped, and this rule doesn't really change that. It does favor both the NBA teams in the sense that they get more time to evaluate talents. And of course it favors college basketball, especially the elite teams.
 
rolandftw said:
Guess you might be watching or listening to different programs then I am. I'm certainly not hearing anything negative about Nick Johnson, despite him being a McDonalds All-American in his 3rd year. I'm not hearing from Arizona fans or on ESPN about how disappointing they find it that he hasn't been drafted yet. Maybe fans of any other University in the Conference, are disappointed though...

Now, maybe there are some incredibly uninformed basketball fans that think McDonalds's All-American means one and done, but that is on them. Top freshmen are going to always be hyped, and this rule doesn't really change that. It does favor both the NBA teams in the sense that they get more time to evaluate talents. And of course it favors college basketball, especially the elite teams.
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What? Johnson wasn't an McDonald's all american in high school and unless he went back to high school this week, he won't ever be a McDonalds all american.
 
MLB's weird because it's not them that has the rule. You can go out of high school, but only if you sign to a 4-year NCAA school do you have to wait the 3 years/be 21 years of age I believe. If you go from high school to a junior college, then you can get drafted sooner. I believe you had the possibility of getting drafted after both freshmen and sophomore years before Bryce Harper and now it's just after sophomore year. Could be wrong on that.
 
BuffLife said:
MLB's weird because it's not them that has the rule. You can go out of high school, but only if you sign to a 4-year NCAA school do you have to wait the 3 years/be 21 years of age I believe. If you go from high school to a junior college, then you can get drafted sooner. I believe you had the possibility of getting drafted after both freshmen and sophomore years before Bryce Harper and now it's just after sophomore year. Could be wrong on that.
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Yes, that's true. In Bryce Harpers case, he "dropped out" of high school after his sophomore year in high school(I could be off here), got his GED, played a year at a JUCO, then went pro.

It's 3 years or turning 21, that's why sophomores can go if they are 21 by a certain point.
 
I am fine with the one and done rule as it is. Let those coaches constantly recruit those same type players. I like what Tad is doing to build a program. Sprinkle a one and done or a two year player on the Buffs roster from time to time, but Tad signs kids that are a good fit for his program. This will serve us well over time.

I am more upset over the transfer rules. whOregon makes a mokery of this every year.

Oh yeah, **** AScc........GO BUFFS
 
I like the baseball comparison with one exception. If you are drafted by the NBA and don't make it your one option to stay in pro basketball in the US is the D-league which although it stands for developmental league doesn't seem to be doing a lot of development. In contrast baseball has the entire minors system with everything from rookie-A short season leagues up through AA and AAA on the way to the majors, and it is frequent that players will bounce back and forth on their way up the system.

I would like the 3 years college or go pro rule if the added a caveat to it that if an NBA team drafts a HS level kid and signs him they are committed to pay him at least a reasonable amount of money over those three years. This would mean that if they are paying a kid they are much more likely to at least try to develop him into the player they though was worth a draft choice.
 
One thing the MLB does that you guys have forgotten so far is that every high school kid that gets drafted is actually already committed and signed to a college. The kids who get drafted and don't get the amount of money that they were expecting then still go to college. The ones who do get the amount of money they are looking for obviously then are allowed out of their scholarship and allowed to go pro.
 
Bigbuffs said:
One thing the MLB does that you guys have forgotten so far is that every high school kid that gets drafted is actually already committed and signed to a college. The kids who get drafted and don't get the amount of money that they were expecting then still go to college. The ones who do get the amount of money they are looking for obviously then are allowed out of their scholarship and allowed to go pro.
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And they do it as leverage and that doesn't matter as much now with the quasi-slot system. The point being is that John Wall, Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and the like don't need college. If the kid is unsure they'll be a first round pick, they shouldn't go to the NBA but if they are going to be a consensus top 5 pick, let them go pro.
 
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