One buffalo's view from the sidelines: Here is where i have landed on this

[Wyo Buff]

Look guys. I respect all of your opinions. You have passion for the Buffs and I love that. I also respect McChesney's opion. He earned the right to state his unvarnished opinion and he has. That said, I earned my right as well by leaving my blood, sweat and soft tissue on Folsom Field. This is what I posted on my Facebook page today. I am on this course and won't leave now. Here it is:

[h=5]My 8-year old Kade told me last night that he used to be an Oklahoma Sooner fan (the horror - just kidding to my Sooner friends) but that he had decided that he was going to only be a CU Buff fan from here on out because I was a Buff and so was he. It impressed upon me the importance of standing with Jon Embree and his staff right now while they are in the depths of a dark, dark time in Colorado football. If my 8-year old can unapologetically be all in, so am I! I am with you Embo! GO BUFFS! PICK YOURSELVES UP AND FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT. SHOULDER TO SHOULDER!

So, there it is. I don't expect you to agree or even like it. I will say this, now that the emotional body punch of the last 3 games has been absorbed, my gut as well as my head tells me that this thing will turn around, that we have the right guys in place and that patience will actually be rewarded this time. It is difficult to have patience but it can be rewarded and CU has benefited from this in the past.
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[BuffaloChuck]

I'm sure that, within 10 years, your son will have plenty of reasons to follow in dad's footsteps.

Er - plenty of MORE reasons to follow in yours...

 

[Darth Snow]

At this point, it does take an 8 year old's reasoning to justify belief in these buffs. Hope we have more reasons soon.

 

[Dark Bohner]

Then explain to me what we can hang our hat on WYO BUFF. Embree has suffered through 3 of the most humiliating defeats in School history in a row! CSU first year head coach had never beaten Colorado before, lose at home to Sac State, suffer most statistically humiliating defeat in school history to a FIRST YEAR HC at a rebuilding MWC school. Our school is punchline of college football. Literally. Embree has the rest of this season to turn it around, but that is it. If we go 0-12, he needs to be kicked to the curb.

Pump sunshine all you want. Or at least explain to me one reason why Embree deserves more than this season.

 

[Junction]

Look guys. I respect all of your opinions. You have passion for the Buffs and I love that. I also respect McChesney's opion. He earned the right to state his unvarnished opinion and he has. That said, I earned my right as well by leaving my blood, sweat and soft tissue on Folsom Field. This is what I posted on my Facebook page today. I am on this course and won't leave now. Here it is:

[h=5]My 8-year old Kade told me last night that he used to be an Oklahoma Sooner fan (the horror - just kidding to my Sooner friends) but that he had decided that he was going to only be a CU Buff fan from here on out because I was a Buff and so was he. It impressed upon me the importance of standing with Jon Embree and his staff right now while they are in the depths of a dark, dark time in Colorado football. If my 8-year old can unapologetically be all in, so am I! I am with you Embo! GO BUFFS! PICK YOURSELVES UP AND FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT. SHOULDER TO SHOULDER!

So, there it is. I don't expect you to agree or even like it. I will say this, now that the emotional body punch of the last 3 games has been absorbed, my gut as well as my head tells me that this thing will turn around, that we have the right guys in place and that patience will actually be rewarded this time. It is difficult to have patience but it can be rewarded and CU has benefited from this in the past.
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I admire the reasoning, just as I do Mac's. Standing and fighting with the program should always be every fan's first instinct. The problem is, if we don't have the right staff it is exactly the wrong course of action. We saw that with Hawkins. And I think most of us feel like we simply can't go down that road again. It's extra hard because there are a lot of great Buffs on this staff and everybody would love to see them succeed. But right now it's pretty much impossible to objectively evaluate where we are and see the right track. I pray you're right and we're wrong.... :gobuffs:

 

[Duff Man]

I'm willing to let the season play out, but there have to be some tangible signs (wins, close losses, great offensive output, etc.) if there are to be any real reasons to stay the course.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

Then explain to me what we can hang our hat on WYO BUFF. Embree has suffered through 3 of the most humiliating defeats in School history in a row! CSU first year head coach had never beaten Colorado before, lose at home to Sac State, suffer most statistically humiliating defeat in school history to a FIRST YEAR HC at a rebuilding MWC school. Our school is punchline of college football. Literally. Embree has the rest of this season to turn it around, but that is it. If we go 0-12, he needs to be kicked to the curb.

Pump sunshine all you want. Or at least explain to me one reason why Embree deserves more than this season.

Look on the bright side. Of the remaining 9 teams on the schedule, only 4 have 1st year coaches. (WSU, Arizona, ASU, UCLA)

 

[Wyo Buff]

Then explain to me what we can hang our hat on WYO BUFF. Embree has suffered through 3 of the most humiliating defeats in School history in a row! CSU first year head coach had never beaten Colorado before, lose at home to Sac State, suffer most statistically humiliating defeat in school history to a FIRST YEAR HC at a rebuilding MWC school. Our school is punchline of college football. Literally. Embree has the rest of this season to turn it around, but that is it. If we go 0-12, he needs to be kicked to the curb.

Pump sunshine all you want. Or at least explain to me one reason why Embree deserves more than this season.

With all due respect, I really do not owe you anything. You can hang your hat wherever you like and I won't complain or care, for that matter. I am just telling you that I stand with Embree. Don't really care if you support me or not.

 

[Liver]

i'm in "show me" mode again.

show me something. anything. any sign. any reason to believe. any logical proof that there is any ****ing hope whatsoever. they aren't getting whacked 3 games into the season. they've got 9 more games to show a ****ing pulse.

i love them as Buffs, but there is absolutely no evidence (in my opinion) that can be supported with facts that gives me any hope as of now that they are the right staff for this job. that can certainly change.

9 games to prove something. washington state isn't very good. it would be a good start to get a W there. it appears virtually impossible to me, but it could happen. hell, let's start with winning a ****ing QUARTER let alone a game.

 

[CUFan]

I think we all would prefer it to work out with Embree and Co, but not only have the first 3 games been troubling, but so was last year. There was some decent talent on that team last year, at least offensively, and we were a terrible offensive team. I'm starting to wonder if more time will make anything different. I sure hope so.

 

[BlackNGold]

Look guys. I respect all of your opinions. You have passion for the Buffs and I love that. I also respect McChesney's opion. He earned the right to state his unvarnished opinion and he has. That said, I earned my right as well by leaving my blood, sweat and soft tissue on Folsom Field. This is what I posted on my Facebook page today. I am on this course and won't leave now. Here it is:

My 8-year old Kade told me last night that he used to be an Oklahoma Sooner fan (the horror - just kidding to my Sooner friends) but that he had decided that he was going to only be a CU Buff fan from here on out because I was a Buff and so was he. It impressed upon me the importance of standing with Jon Embree and his staff right now while they are in the depths of a dark, dark time in Colorado football. If my 8-year old can unapologetically be all in, so am I! I am with you Embo! GO BUFFS! PICK YOURSELVES UP AND FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT. SHOULDER TO SHOULDER!

So, there it is. I don't expect you to agree or even like it. I will say this, now that the emotional body punch of the last 3 games has been absorbed, my gut as well as my head tells me that this thing will turn around, that we have the right guys in place and that patience will actually be rewarded this time. It is difficult to have patience but it can be rewarded and CU has benefited from this in the past.

Thanks. I agree. I get torn up during the bad performances, but upon reflection I have come to the conclusion this staff deserves more time. I am sure they are not happy and have found the situation to be worse than they thought, but I am of the mind they need time.

 

[Dark Bohner]

With all due respect, I really do not owe you anything. You can hang your hat wherever you like and I won't complain or care, for that matter. I am just telling you that I stand with Embree. Don't really care if you support me or not.

You are absolutely right. You don't owe me anything, and are entitled to your opinion on this, and you didn't ask for my support. Personally, I think that the damage that Embree has done warrants his immediate termination even though I can wait through the rest of the season. I, like many here, am willing to put up with a fair amount of 'rebuilding' with patience, but what has been done by Embree and staff is simply breathtaking in its utter failure, when so many other programs will not allow that to happen. At this time, I have no more patience and yes, I am out for blood. I want heads to roll for what we are seeing.

 

[DBT]

I'm on your side Wyo Buff. I many not be as certain as you are, but he deserves the chance.

 

[sackman]

I hear what you're saying, WYO, but I just can't go there. I see utter incompetence with this staff. Incompetence is not corrected with hard work and effort. Embree & co are not cut out for their responsibilities. That became painfully obvious on Sept 1, and has been reinforced every week since then. That doesn't make me any less a Buff for pointing it out. I think it's important to support CU by insisting that they take the necessary steps to improve the football program.

 

[Wyo Buff]

I hear what you're saying, WYO, but I just can't go there. I see utter incompetence with this staff. Incompetence is not corrected with hard work and effort. Embree & co are not cut out for their responsibilities. That became painfully obvious on Sept 1, and has been reinforced every week since then. That doesn't make me any less a Buff for pointing it out. I think it's important to support CU by insisting that they take the necessary steps to improve the football program.

I understand the other side of this issue and respect it sacky. You guys are true Buffs. My view is that we have this same argument every few years. I hope whatever happens, that something changes. We have been on this cycle for 10-12 years now.

 

[BuffClass90]

Appreciate the post. Here's where I am at.

The admin isn't going to do anything, largely cuz I don't think they have a clue how to build a relevant PAC XII football team.

Odds are this won't be turned around soon, if ever. But they are my Buffs and I love the school and the team.

The coaches and admin are making it difficult to go shoulder to shoulder with them because I have no faith in their abilities.

So I will go shoulder to shoulder with the program...it's history, tradition and desire to excel.

I've bitched enough in this post and others, hopefully I can refrain further. I'll stop piling on, not cuz bitching or not makes any difference, but I'm sick of the negativity in my life. I may just have to check out of football for a while..who knows.

Go Buffs.

 

[SJBuff]

I hate being the cynic but I feel like this staff is missing something. This staff is failing terribly and getting the best out of the talent we do have on the roster. Right now I don't need wins, but I do expect our players to play with more effort and heart and I'm just not seeing it. I believe the coaches are aware of this but they just don't know how to fix it. With the staff's 80+ years of coaching experience already under their belts, if they don't know how to inspire and motivate young men by now, more time isn't the solution.

 

[AllBuff]

I will say this, now that the emotional body punch of the last 3 games has been absorbed, my gut as well as my head tells me that this thing will turn around, that we have the right guys in place and that patience will actually be rewarded this time. It is difficult to have patience but it can be rewarded and CU has benefited from this in the past.
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I understand the other side of this issue and respect it sacky. You guys are true Buffs. My view is that we have this same argument every few years. I hope whatever happens, that something changes. We have been on this cycle for 10-12 years now.

:nod:

 

[NW Buff]

I'm willing to let the season play out, but there have to be some tangible signs (wins, close losses, great offensive output, etc.) if there are to be any real reasons to stay the course.

This.

 

[Crash Davis]

On the one hand, it is tough to evaluate the coaching staff because we do have a significant lack of talent, and therefore whoever followed Hawkins was going to have a major rebuilding project on their hands.

That said, it now appears we exacerbated the problem by hiring a HC and coordinators with no experience.

I figured a bowl game this year was probably a stretch. I was prepared for another 3 or 4 win season. But the last 3 weeks have been so disheartening I don't even know what to say at this point......I'm just numb.

I'm probably one of the most patient people around here. I've always believed you give a coach five years, absent any extraneous issues OR unless the on-field product is just embarrasingly bad (basically where we are now.....). But now I'm at the point where I need to see something from the staff this season that tells me that they are the ones who can get this turned around, because honestly, so far I haven't seen it.

As mediocre as our talent is, I refuse to believe we have less talent than CSU. I refuse to believe we have less talent than Sacramento State. Fresno might have a bit more, but not 55-7 at halftime more. Christ they could have put 90 on us if they wanted to.

In the meantime, I guess I'll keep watching and hope that JE & Co. eventually figure it out, because as others have said, I don't have a lot of faith in our leaders to make changes any time soon.

 

[Liver]

in the words of the great lucinda williams:

I think I lost it
Let me know if you come across it
Let me know if I let it fall
Along a back road somewhere
Money can't replace it
No memory can erase it
And I know I'm never gonna find
Another one to compare
Give me some love to fill me up

Give me some time give me some stuff
Give me a sign give me some kind of reason
Are you heavy enough to make me stay
I feel like I might blow away
I thought I was in heaven
But I was only dreamin
I think I lost it
Let me know if you come across it
Let me know if I let it fall
Along a back road somewhere
Money can't replace it
No memory can erase it
And I know I'm never gonna find
Another one to compare


SOLO

I just wanna live the life I please
I don't want no enemies
I don't want nothin if I have to fake it
Never take nothin don't belong to me

Everything's paid for nothing free
If I give my heart
Will you promise not to break it
I think I lost it
Let me know if you come across it
Let me know if I let it fall
Along a back road somewhere
Money can't replace it
No memory can erase it
And I know I'm never gonna find
Another one to compare
Money can't replace it
No memory can erase it
And I know I'm never gonna find
Another one to compare

 

[buffs04]

What is the basis for having confidence in the competence of our coaching staff? Actual, real, logical basis, other than the fact that they we are stuck with them for the present moment and that they played football at CU? What evidence is there that they know what they are doing?

You said your head tells you that they will turn it around. What do you mean, specifically?

 

[DBT]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

 

[J.R. Ewing]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

I think if the rest of the year looks like the Fresno St game, potential coaches would understand.

 

[GoonieBuff]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

CU isn't known as an impatient school. I honestly think it scares off coaches even more by how little financial support is shown by the administration when times are rough.

Here's an example: A non-football school such as Kansas didn't scare off a big name coach like Charlie Weis after the quick trigger to fire Turner Gill.

I really think it's time to stop with any excuses as to the current state of the program.

 

[Liver]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

dear hot coaching candidate:

here is X millon dollars per year, guaranteed.
here is X million dollars per year for your staff.
here is our X million dollar announced facilities upgrade.

please come.

i think we'll be fine. we just have to throw $ at the problem.

 

[Jens1893]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

Doesn´t fly with me.

If you imply that we lost quite a bit with those those 28 graduating players and say they were good, you in turn would have to admit that the team should have done better than 3 wins with x-blowout losses and games in which we plain quit (UCLA?) in 2011. See Arizona, UCLA, ASU and other Pac 12 teams this season to see that you can win with guys another coach recruited who may not be super talented across the board.

If you want to make the point we lost a ton this summer, you also have to concede that Embree did a sub-par coaching job last season.

Embree said he was happy with the players´ effort in a 55 point loss against a rebuilding MWC team with a first year head coach. Let that sink in.

 

[Duff Man]

Correct Jens.

 

[buffs04]

dear hot coaching candidate:

here is X millon dollars per year, guaranteed.
here is X million dollars per year for your staff.
here is our X million dollar announced facilities upgrade.

please come.

i think we'll be fine. we just have to throw $ at the problem.

My suspicion is also that there are many, many people in the coaching world with very large egos. If our compensation offer is where it needs to be I doubt that we have a hard time attracting someone who fancies himself as the right man for the job.

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

I don't know if this even factors into it. But giving a guy 2 years which included a graduating class of 28 players and left him with 8 seniors this year and then firing him probably doesn't send a great message to potential coaching candidates. So, if you did fire this staff after this year, what would that do to a coaching search?

IF the Buffs go winless this year (0-12), no one will question why the coach was fired.