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Pac 12 Coach Rankings

The changes in the rankings are insane. Pretty much a garbage piece, other than it being something to start a conversation during a long offseason.

My Rank:

1. David Shaw
2. Jim Mora Jr
3. Chris Petersen
4. Mike Riley
5. Todd Graham
6. Rich Rodriguez
7. Steve Sarkisian
8. Mike Leach
9. Mark Helfrich
10. Kyle Whittingham
11. Mike MacIntyre
12. Sonny Dykes

I based it on what each has accomplished and whether I see their recent trajectory up/down.
 
Without looking at the list, I would say:

1. Mike Riley, does more with less, year in and year out.

2. Todd Graham, carpetbagger, questionable loyalty, but he can coach.

3. Jim Mora, Jr., turned Skippy's mess around n a hurry

4. David Shaw.

5. Rich Rodriguez

6. Mike McIntyre

7. Steve Sarkisian

8. Boise Pete.

9. Mark Helfrich.

10. Mike Leach.

11. Kyle Whittingham and his revolving door OC's.

13. Sonny Dykes, the turd in the Berkeley punch bowl.
 
About the only one on the list I can agree with is Dykes on the bottom.

Could probably make a strong argument against every single other ranking.
 
Buffnik said:
The changes in the rankings are insane. Pretty much a garbage piece, other than it being something to start a conversation during a long offseason.

My Rank:

1. David Shaw
2. Jim Mora Jr
3. Chris Petersen
4. Mike Riley
5. Todd Graham
6. Rich Rodriguez
7. Steve Sarkisian
8. Mike Leach
9. Mark Helfrich
10. Kyle Whittingham
11. Mike MacIntyre
12. Sonny Dykes

I based it on what each has accomplished and whether I see their recent trajectory up/down.
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Mentally, this is the list I came up with. Was a little tempted to put KW below MikeMac based on trajectory.
 
leftybuff said:
Without looking at the list, I would say:

1. Mike Riley, does more with less, year in and year out.

2. Todd Graham, carpetbagger, questionable loyalty, but he can coach.

3. Jim Mora, Jr., turned Skippy's mess around n a hurry

4. David Shaw.

5. Rich Rodriguez

6. Mike McIntyre

7. Steve Sarkisian

8. Boise Pete.

9. Mark Helfrich.

10. Mike Leach.

11. Kyle Whittingham and his revolving door OC's.

13. Sonny Dykes, the turd in the Berkeley punch bowl.
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Is #6 based on potential?
 
cubuffs85 said:
Is #6 based on potential?
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Partially. All of my guesses are based on what I see. For instance, I don't think Dykes is a bad coach, he isn't great, but he's in a terrible place for him. Put him at TT or Bailer, and he is probably pretty good. MikMac has shown some ability to rebuild and spot overlooked talent, that makes him a very good fit at CU. So I guess it is a lot of things.
 
Just making CU somewhat more competitive has to give him some credit on the list.

M2 arguably took over one of if not the worst Big 5 conference program in a number of years. Even though 2 were FCS schools the fact that he won 4 games with the same program that JE left him has to count for something.
 
Tough to say, but I think a good head coach is one who built something from nothing. I don't give a lot of props to people who inherited a good program (aka Neuweasel). I also look at the talent inherited. Mora did a good job, but he has a lot of talent he inherited. Finally, I take into account the history of the program...easier to be successful at USC than CU. That doesn't mean someone like Shaw isn't a great coach, but when you inherit a juggernaut, the only way to tell if he's good is if he continues winning 3-4 years after his predecessor leaves or is successful elsewhere.

Chris Petersen
Mike MacIntyre
Sonny Dykes
David Shaw
Mike Leach
Mike Riley
Jim Mora Jr
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Steve Sarkisian
Mark Helfrich
Rich Rodriguez
 
BuffClass90 said:
Tough to say, but I think a good head coach is one who built something from nothing. I don't give a lot of props to people who inherited a good program (aka Neuweasel). I also look at the talent inherited. Mora did a good job, but he has a lot of talent he inherited. Finally, I take into account the history of the program...easier to be successful at USC than CU. That doesn't mean someone like Shaw isn't a great coach, but when you inherit a juggernaut, the only way to tell if he's good is if he continues winning 3-4 years after his predecessor leaves or is successful elsewhere.

Chris Petersen
Mike MacIntyre
Sonny Dykes
David Shaw
Mike Leach
Mike Riley
Jim Mora Jr
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Steve Sarkisian
Mark Helfrich
Rich Rodriguez
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Honestly, at first glance your list looked to me like you were pulling names out of a hat.

Upon reflection, it looks like you but a ton of weight on job performance at each coach's job prior to him having his current Pac-12 gig.
 
BuffClass90 said:
Tough to say, but I think a good head coach is one who built something from nothing. I don't give a lot of props to people who inherited a good program (aka Neuweasel). I also look at the talent inherited. Mora did a good job, but he has a lot of talent he inherited. Finally, I take into account the history of the program...easier to be successful at USC than CU. That doesn't mean someone like Shaw isn't a great coach, but when you inherit a juggernaut, the only way to tell if he's good is if he continues winning 3-4 years after his predecessor leaves or is successful elsewhere.

Chris Petersen
Mike MacIntyre
Sonny Dykes
David Shaw
Mike Leach
Mike Riley
Jim Mora Jr
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Steve Sarkisian
Mark Helfrich
Rich Rodriguez
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90, that list is ridiculous. Mac and Sonny at 2 & 3??? What has either done in the Pac 12?
 
Any list is ridiculous, and rather than pick a random place in there based on a lack of knowledge they should simply remove a chunk of coaches, like Mac, Sonny, Helfrich, and possibly Peterson. The others at least have a quasi-decent body of BCS work. (Shaw has little, but has plenty of clear success)
 
Having Peterson at the top pretty much classifies this list as a joke. Shouldn't even be in the top third, maybe not even the top half. lefty got it right.
 
BuffClass90 said:
Tough to say, but I think a good head coach is one who built something from nothing. I don't give a lot of props to people who inherited a good program (aka Neuweasel). I also look at the talent inherited. Mora did a good job, but he has a lot of talent he inherited. Finally, I take into account the history of the program...easier to be successful at USC than CU. That doesn't mean someone like Shaw isn't a great coach, but when you inherit a juggernaut, the only way to tell if he's good is if he continues winning 3-4 years after his predecessor leaves or is successful elsewhere.

Chris Petersen
Mike MacIntyre
Sonny Dykes
David Shaw
Mike Leach
Mike Riley
Jim Mora Jr
Todd Graham
Kyle Whittingham
Steve Sarkisian
Mark Helfrich
Rich Rodriguez
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Based on the comment in bold, how do you justify having Peterson at the top of your list? He certainly didn't build a program from nothing.
 
Curious why some people discount Shaw. Lost the best player Stanford had had in a generation (at the most important position no less) and proceeded to win the conference two years in a row.
 
MtnBuff said:
Just making CU somewhat more competitive has to give him some credit on the list.
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WTF post of the year goes to Mtn.

We got blown out by a lot of teams last team. I don't know how that is "somewhat more competitive."
 
NMBuff said:
WTF post of the year goes to Mtn.

We got blown out by a lot of teams last team. I don't know how that is "somewhat more competitive."
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Year before we gave up 50+ points, 60+ points most games and the opposition was trying from the first quarter not to run it up. If they had tried most could have scored 100 on us. We won one game by one point when Leach gave a new definition to Couging it.

We sucked pretty badly last year but we did win 4 games, We also were at least competitive in a number of the losses for most of the first half. Teams blew us out in the end but they had to work a lot harder to do it. And all this was with arguably less talent on the field.
 
Okay. Petersen was a mistake. For some reason I confused him with Gary Anderson. Duh!

Pulling my head out and realizing Petersen is not Anderson, I'd put him near or at the bottom of the list. I hope they have the same success with BSU HCs that everyone else has had.

I do put a lot of emphasis on prior success and building a program from nothing - that's my bias. The bias of the original list was the current state of the program. If someone's bias was height, hair color or melanin, the list would be different. :lol:

Using my criteria, I feel comfortable with Mac at the top. He coached for BP at Dallas, was assistant coach of the year at Duke and turned around a horrible, horrible, horrible program at SJ. Time will tell if he's really ready for prime time, but with the data we have, he's a great coach.

And yes...the list is a joke...just like any list. It's just a way to bull**** about the sport we love!
 
BuffClass90 said:
Okay. Petersen was a mistake. For some reason I confused him with Gary Anderson. Duh!

Pulling my head out and realizing Petersen is not Anderson, I'd put him near or at the bottom of the list. I hope they have the same success with BSU HCs that everyone else has had.

I do put a lot of emphasis on prior success and building a program from nothing - that's my bias. The bias of the original list was the current state of the program. If someone's bias was height, hair color or melanin, the list would be different. :lol:

Using my criteria, I feel comfortable with Mac at the top. He coached for BP at Dallas, was assistant coach of the year at Duke and turned around a horrible, horrible, horrible program at SJ. Time will tell if he's really ready for prime time, but with the data we have, he's a great coach.

And yes...the list is a joke...just like any list. It's just a way to bull**** about the sport we love!
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To the bold, my list was based on who has shown that he is ready for prime time. I may have had Rich Rod too low, but that Michigan debacle causes me to knock him down a lot. I do wonder if they simply didn't give him the time he needed because he had transformed the talent and speed of that program in short order.
 
This is like comparing apples to oranges to grapes to mango to watermelon to lemons to tangerines to strawberries to limes to cantaloupe to pears to pineapples
 
Shaw
Petersen
Riley
Rodriguez
Sarkisian
Mora
Graham
MacIntyre
Helfrich
Wittingham
Leach
Dykes
 
Duff Man said:
Shaw
Petersen
Riley
Rodriguez
Sarkisian
Mora
Graham
MacIntyre
Helfrich
Wittingham
Leach
Dykes
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I think you've got Sark too high, personally. I'm impressed with him as a recruiter, but he didn't get UDub to take that next step they looked capable of the past 2 seasons.

With Leach, I don't know. He could be put just about anywhere on the list. How does he piss away the CU game? How does he piss away the Auburn game? How does he piss away the CSU bowl game? But on the other hand, how does he get those Texas Tech and Wazzu programs to where they are a step above competitive? Lubbock and Pullman aren't exactly the easiest places to recruit.
 
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