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Pac-12 Conference Play...
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NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
I'm thinking ASU takes down Utah tonight while UA beats CU, Stanford beats USC, and UCLA beats Cal on Thursday.
On Saturday, I'm thinking UA beats Utah in a closer game than many expect since UA will have spent some energy against CU, UCLA beats the Trees, WSU whips UW, and Cal defeats USC. On Sunday, CU should edge past ASU and I'm going with the Beavers against the Duckies in a close and hard fought game.
I will be disappointed if CU starts Pac-12 play 0-2 but it's possible.
On Saturday, I'm thinking UA beats Utah in a closer game than many expect since UA will have spent some energy against CU, UCLA beats the Trees, WSU whips UW, and Cal defeats USC. On Sunday, CU should edge past ASU and I'm going with the Beavers against the Duckies in a close and hard fought game.
I will be disappointed if CU starts Pac-12 play 0-2 but it's possible.
If CU thinks they are going to compete to win the Pac12 then they need to beat ASU. They aren't that great.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Again, look at ASU's schedule and you'll understand why they have the record they have. They're not a good team. 8th in the Pac-12, *best case scenario* for them IMO. Our play on the road concerns me, but we really should be able to beat ASU in front of a half empty arena. If you have any hopes of CU winning 5 road games...or 4...ASU in Tempe has to be a win.
Buufs catch a break with an extra day to recover from Tucson, win or lose there. I'd like to expect Tad will have them back in form on Sunday against a weak ASU bunch.
jgisland
Club Member
ASU is not good, if CU (probably Dinwiddie) just lays off of Jahii and dares him to shoot jumpers and stop him from penetrating the game shouldn't be close. Even when Jahii knocked down a crucial 3 last night he looked so uncomfortable doing so, he thought about it for a second when he was wide open before he pulled the trigger. He has zero confidence in his shooting (with good reason).
jwhite17
Member
We should go 4-0 against ASU and Utah, but winning on the road in college bball is not easy.
Under Boyle, we have been terrible on the road. We are a completely different team playing on the road that I could see us losing to Utah or ASU. Both are improved compared to last year. Obviously, I think we should beat them, but until proven otherwise, I can't predict a victory for us until we start showing consistent good play on the road.
Under Boyle, we have been terrible on the road. We are a completely different team playing on the road that I could see us losing to Utah or ASU. Both are improved compared to last year. Obviously, I think we should beat them, but until proven otherwise, I can't predict a victory for us until we start showing consistent good play on the road.
"Terrible on the road" is unfair, IMO. As has been pointed out on several occasions, winning on the road in college basketball is very difficult, regardless of who you are. There's a reasonable chance that we go 5-4 on the road in the conference this year. That's a far cry from "horrible".
jwhite17
Member
Well, I don't mean terrible as Bzedelik's teams (didn't we lose 30 road games in a row??), but Boyle's teams haven't beaten average/good teams on the road during his entire tenure (except KSU). Even the scoring machine 2010-2011 team, we only beat CS-Bakersfield (terrible team), TT (terrible team) and KSU (good team, best road win in Boyle's tenure). We would have probably gone to the NCAA tourney if we could have beaten ISU in Ames right before the big 12 tourney game. I'm not even including the meltdowns against Baylor/Nebraska/Oklahoma that year either.
Last year, we beat all the terrible Pac12 teams (USC,ASU and Utah) and below average Air Force, and we lost to the average and above average teams in conference. We should have beaten Cal and CSU, but the other road games were not close. That's my concern.
In order for us to finish top 4 this year, we need to win 4 road games this year, and I'm not sure if we can do that just yet. We are still relying on a bunch of youngins to win games. Our composure will be tested, and we need to hit free throws and play better defense. I think a big issue for our offensive problems on the road is due to our offensive system. We rely on getting to the FT line, and on the road, we don't get the same calls as the guys are used to in Boulder.
Thus, we force shots thinking we will get to the line, but that doesn't happen and we turn it over.
I would be ecstatic with 4 or more wins on the road because it would mean that Boyle has turned the corner.
Last year, we beat all the terrible Pac12 teams (USC,ASU and Utah) and below average Air Force, and we lost to the average and above average teams in conference. We should have beaten Cal and CSU, but the other road games were not close. That's my concern.
In order for us to finish top 4 this year, we need to win 4 road games this year, and I'm not sure if we can do that just yet. We are still relying on a bunch of youngins to win games. Our composure will be tested, and we need to hit free throws and play better defense. I think a big issue for our offensive problems on the road is due to our offensive system. We rely on getting to the FT line, and on the road, we don't get the same calls as the guys are used to in Boulder.
Thus, we force shots thinking we will get to the line, but that doesn't happen and we turn it over.
I would be ecstatic with 4 or more wins on the road because it would mean that Boyle has turned the corner.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
Agreed. We must sweep ASU & Utah this year.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Under Boyle we've beaten the bottom feeders on the road with consistency. ASU and Utah are bottom feeders.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
The scary thing is that both ASU and Utah are actually quite improved from last season. However, they're obviously both horrendous. Bottom half of this conference is eye-opening bad.
That pretty much ends it for Stanford.
Unless someone goes on an unexpected run (more unexpected than CU's last year), we're looking at only 4 possible NCAA bids.
Arizona = lock
Colorado
Oregon
UCLA
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Yep Stanford is toast. 4 teams remaining. CU, Oregon, UCLA and The Cheaters