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Pac-12 Division Alignment: The 2 main plans

What alignment do you like?

  • North-South

    Votes: 27 52.9%

  • Zipper

    Votes: 24 47.1%
  • Total voters
    51
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The starting points for discussions this Friday will be the following 2 alignments:

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What do you guys think?

I like the "Zipper", but only if there are 2 fixed cross-division rivals based on geography. Under that, CU would play Utah and ASU every year along with its 5 divisional opponents, and then play the other 4 non-division teams on an every-other-year basis. The California schools and Northwest schools would be similarly paired with their 2 fixed games against geographic rivals.
 
Either works for me. And, if they stay with 9 conference games, I really don't see much difference. With N/S, you play 5 division games + 4 of the other 6 in any given year. With the zipper, you would play 5 division games + 1 or 2 "designated rivals" + 2 or 3 of the remaining. If my math is correct, that means that CU would play at least one of the SoCal schools every year, which is what we want. I really don't see a downside to either. 2011 - make it happen!!
 
Plan C: The "Hybrid" (Zipper the Cali schools)

Northwest schools + Cal & UCLA

The "Newcomers" (CU, Utah, ASU, AZ) + USC + Stanford

Everyone gets into SoCal at least every 2 years (more with the inter-divisional games), regional rivalries remain in-division, it is easier to remember who is in what division, the UC rivalry of UCLA-Cal remains in division and doesn't have to be "locked". The only "locked" games needed would then be between USC-UCLA and Stanford-Cal (the compromise for "splitting" them up).

Travel costs are minimized while recruiting access, competitive balance, and media attention stays maximized. It would also prevent the league from having two schools from within the NW or "Four Corners" from playing each other in the CCG, thus diminishing the game's appeal. Would Washington State vs Arizona be a "ho-hum" CCG? sure, but at least you have fanbases from two distinct areas involved, rather than a possible Arizona-Utah or Washington State-Oregon CCG.
 
I don't know if I like the zipper. That would **** up some outstanding traditional games. On another note, with the zipper plan in the pic above, it would not be a totally brutal division for us.
 
The zipper plan is just mind boggling. I can't think of a dumber idea than putting the Washington/Oregon/Arizona schools in different divisions. Makes no sense whatsoever.


Only zipper that works is the Cali ones that Scotty suggested.
 
Zipper as delineated in the graphic above would be fine as far as I'm concerned.
 
JimmyBuff said:
The zipper plan is just mind boggling. I can't think of a dumber idea than putting the Washington/Oregon/Arizona schools in different divisions. Makes no sense whatsoever.


Only zipper that works is the Cali ones that Scotty suggested.
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As long as the geographic rivals are locked inter-divisional games, I don't see a problem there. Niks idea makes sense to me.
 
Junction said:
As long as the geographic rivals are locked inter-divisional games, I don't see a problem there. Niks idea makes sense to me.
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so what happens when Oregon and Oregon State (for example) meet in the last weekend of the season during the regular season and they both end up being 1st in their respective divisions? They are going to play each other twice in a row?
 
Without some sort of zipper, a true north-south split will probably be as successful as the Big XII north-south split.

I'm half expecting to hear, when all is said and done, something novel that has not been put forward on any message boards. There is going to be a lot of focus on how to make it as equitable as possible without killing teams So Cal recruiting. Everyone will probably have to sacrifice something.
 
JimmyBuff said:
so what happens when Oregon and Oregon State (for example) meet in the last weekend of the season during the regular season and they both end up being 1st in their respective divisions? They are going to play each other twice in a row?
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ehh, could be exciting
 
JimmyBuff said:
so what happens when Oregon and Oregon State (for example) meet in the last weekend of the season during the regular season and they both end up being 1st in their respective divisions? They are going to play each other twice in a row?
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So what if they do? We could have the same thing happen in any league that has 12 members. I'm not seeing the problem, here.
 
JimmyBuff said:
so what happens when Oregon and Oregon State (for example) meet in the last weekend of the season during the regular season and they both end up being 1st in their respective divisions? They are going to play each other twice in a row?
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With 9 league games, there's a pretty good chance there will be a "repeat" CG every year. All else equal, wouldn't you rather see a rematch of blood rivals rather than a rematch of teams that don't care much about each other at all? I think I'd rather a repeat of UO/OSU or UA/ASU than OSU/UA or ASU/UO or something like that. It will always be disappointing when you get a situation like OU/UT two years ago and a team that is clearly better than every other team than their division mate sits home, but you can't account for that by divisions other than trying to make sure the divisions are as evenly matched as possible.

EDIT: I should rephrase, I meant there will be a good chance in each particular year that there will be a repeat game, not that there is a good chance that there will be a repeat game every year.
 
yeah Im not complaining about the repeat game. I'm complaining about the rivalries of the last weekend (where Cal/Stanford, Usc/ucla, oregon/oregon state wsu/Udub all play) and the possibility of there being a repeat game the next week. I think it would make the league look like a mickey mouse operation, much like what the ACC looks like.

If you have to split the LA schools for the southern california recruiting fine, I can live with that. But all the other cross town rivals splitting up, it makes no sense. I doubt they are going to move these rivalry games to earlier in the season.
 
JimmyBuff said:
so what happens when Oregon and Oregon State (for example) meet in the last weekend of the season during the regular season and they both end up being 1st in their respective divisions? They are going to play each other twice in a row?
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What if Oregon and Oregon State are the two best teams in the league and can't play in the CG because they're both in the same division? You can always have something less than ideal come up, no matter what the alignment is. Having two rivals play back to back weeks because they're the two best teams in the league seems like on of the least worrisome to me.
 
Junction said:
What if Oregon and Oregon State are the two best teams in the league and can't play in the CG because they're both in the same division? You can always have something less than ideal come up, no matter what the alignment is. Having two rivals play back to back weeks because they're the two best teams in the league seems like on of the least worrisome to me.
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It might actually make things more interesting.
 
Junction said:
What if Oregon and Oregon State are the two best teams in the league and can't play in the CG because they're both in the same division? You can always have something less than ideal come up, no matter what the alignment is. Having two rivals play back to back weeks because they're the two best teams in the league seems like on of the least worrisome to me.
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True.. I don't know, I just like the old school setup of the Big 12 and SEC splits. Pac 12 zipper setup has an ACC field to it which makes it feel minor league.
 
I'm of the belief that the divisions should make geographical sense so I went with the North-South alignment. Although the suggestion by Scotty would resolve the issue of everyone getting to play in southern California every other year while still preserving the North-South alignment for the most part.
 
i don't see how we aren't in the same div as ASU, UA, and Utah....regardless. zipper plan seems like too much gymnastical reworking of old timey rivalries. i think the Cal system schools need to get over it, and let UCLA and USC differentiate from Cal and 'Furd.
 
N-S. UCLA and ASU's stadiums being closest to where I like my vacations. Want to play each every single year.
 
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