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Pac-12 Hoops Round Table

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In preparation for the start of Pac-12 season, AllBuffs did a round table discussion with CU media and AllBuffers.

CU Media
Andrew Haubner - CU Independent
Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com
Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com
Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com
Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com
Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com

ALLBUFFERS
Buffnik
Goose
Rumblin
jgisland
CVilleBuff


QUESTIONS
1. Pac-12 Order of Finish
2. Each team's "player to watch"
3. Surprise riser team in Pac-12
4. Surprise disappointment team in Pac-12
5. Player of the Year in Pac-12
6. Coach of the Year in Pac-12
7. Freshman of the Year in Pac-12
8. Defender of the Year in Pac-12
9. 1st Team Pac-12 Starting 5
10. Pac-12 teams that will make the Dance


A big Thank You! to everyone who made the time to do this!
 
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Pac-12 Order of Finish?

Andrew Haubner - CU Independent
1. Utah
2. Arizona
3. Cal
4. Oregon
5. Colorado
6. UCLA
7. Oregon State
8. USC
9. Washington
10. Arizona State
11. Washington State
12. Stanford

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com
1. Arizona
2. Cal
3. Oregon State
4. Utah
5. Colorado
6. UCLA
7. Oregon
8. USC
9. Washington
10. Arizona State
11. Washington State
12. Stanford

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com
1. Arizona
2. Utah
3. Oregon
4. Colorado
5. USC
6. UCLA
7. California
8. Arizona State
9. Oregon State
10. Washington
11. Stanford
12. Washington State

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com
1. Utah
2. UCLA
3. Arizona
4. Colorado
5. Oregon
6. Cal
7. USC
8. OSU
9. ASU
10. UW
11. WSU
12. Stanford

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com
1. Arizona
2. Oregon
3. Utah
4. UCLA
5. California
6. Colorado
7. Oregon State
8. USC
9. Arizona State
10. Washington
11. Washington State
12. Stanford

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com
1. UCLA
2. Arizona
3. Oregon
4. Utah
5. Colorado
6. California
7. Arizona State
8. USC
9. Oregon State
10. Washington
11. Washington state
12. Stanford

Buffnik - AllBuffs
1. Arizona
2. Oregon
3. Utah
4. Colorado
5. UCLA
6. Oregon State
7. Cal
8. USC
9. Arizona State
10. Stanford
11. Washington
12. Washington State

Goose - AllBuffs
1. Arizona
2. Oregon
3. UCLA
4. California
5. Colorado
6. Utah
7. Oregon State
8. USC
9. Arizona State
10. Washington
11. Stanford
12. Washington State

Rumblin - AllBuffs
1. Arizona
2. Oregon
3. Utah
4. UCLA
5. Colorado
6. Cal
7. USC
8. Oregon State
9. ASU
10. Washington
11. Stanford
12. WSU

jgisland - AllBuffs
1. Arizona
2. Utah
3. UCLA
4. California
5. Oregon
6. Colorado
7. ASU
8. OSU
9. USC
10. Stanford
11. UW
12. WSU

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs
1. Arizona
2. Utah
3. Cal
4. UCLA
5. Colorado
6. Oregon
7. Arizona State
8. Oregon State
9. USC
10. Stanford
11. Washington
12. Washington State
 
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Each Team's "Player to Watch?"

Andrew Haubner - CU Independent
Arizona - Allonzo Trier
Arizona State - Savon Goodman
Cal - Ivan Rabb
Colorado - Josh Scott
Oregon - Tyler Dorsey
Oregon State - Gary Payton II
Stanford - Reid Travis
UCLA - Isaac Hamilton
USC - Julian Jacobs
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Marquese Chriss
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com
Arizona - Ryan Anderson
Arizona State - Tra Holder
Cal - Tyrone Wallace
Colorado - Josh Scott
Oregon - Dillon Brooks
Oregon State - Gary Payton II
Stanford - Rosco Allen
UCLA - Tony Parker
USC - Katin Reinhardt
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com
Arizona - Gabe York
Arizona State - Tra Holder
Cal - Ivan Rabb
Colorado - Wes Gordon
Oregon - Tyler Dorsey
Oregon State - Gary Payton II
Stanford - Reid Travis
UCLA - Bryce Alford
USC - Julian Jacobs
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com
Arizona - Allonzo Trier
Arizona State - Tra Holder
Cal - Jaylen Brown
Colorado - Josh Fortune
Oregon - Tyler Dorsey
Oregon State - Tres Tinkle
Stanford - Michael Humphrey
UCLA - Issac Hamilton
USC - Bennie Boatwright
Utah - Jordan Loveridge
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Ike Iroegbu


Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com
Arizona - Allonzo Trier
Arizona State - Savon Goodman
Cal - I mean...everyone is hyped up so much already. Ivan Rabb is a beast though.
Colorado - Dominique Collier (shocker)
Oregon - Chris Boucher
Oregon State - Steven Thompson Jr.
Stanford - Johnny Dawkins. I haven’t seen a coach on their sideline in a decade.
UCLA - Jonah Bolden
USC - Julian Jacobs
Utah - Kyle Kuzma
Washington - Marquese Chriss
Washington State - I mean...it’s three guys. We know them, right?


Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com
Arizona - Gabe York. He will need to be a consistent threat for the Wildcats to win the conference. He hasn't shown that ability in conference play yet but someone has to take the reigns in that backcourt.

Arizona State - Tra Holder. College hoops is a PG driven sport and few have improved as quickly as he has.

Cal - Jaylen Brown. Cal doesn't have much depth but they know what they're getting night in and night out from their other starters. Brown must develop a well rounded game for the Bears to exceed their preseason high hopes.

Colorado - Josh Fortune. He's come a "Josh of all trades"... If he can consistently pour in outside shots and continue to mold himself into the Buffs best perimeter player this team will finish top 6 in the Pac-12.

Oregon - PG Dylan Ennis. He is now back in the lineup, perfect timing for a ducks team poised to make a big run in conference play.

Oregon State - Gary Payton II. Boring pick but simply put this team goes as he goes.

Stanford - Reid Travis is the guy here. They haven't been getting enough from the highly touted big man who hasn't been able to hit FTs or avoid turning the ball over.

UCLA - Tony Parker is finally ready to lead this team. Averaging a double double isn't easy in college and with this kid on the floor UCLA is especially dangerous.

USC - Julian Jacobs. One of my favorite players in the Pac-12 and arguably the most underrated. He does it all for this team.

Utah - Brandon Taylor. His reliance on Delon Wright quickly became apparent this season. He needs to find a bigger role on the team for this program to reach expectation this season.

Washington - Dejounte Murray. You probably haven't heard of him, but you will. This kid is as versatile as anyone in the conference and is super fun to watch.

Washington State - Ike Oroegbu. The speedy undersized guard has completely transformed his game since coming to college and is a legit threat.


Buffnik - AllBuffs
Arizona - Ryan Anderson, the BC transfer has more than filled the void left at forward

Arizona State - Tra Holder, makes everything go for ASU

Cal - Jordan Matthews, not the headline guy, but the guy who can open up the court with his shooting

Colorado - Dom Collier, his development as a front line PG will determine how good the Buffs are this year

Oregon - Dillon Brooks, leading team in scoring and hasn't even found his stroke yet

Oregon State - Gary Payton II, most important player to his team in the conference

Stanford - Rosco Allen, very solid senior front court guy who efficiently does it all for Furd

UCLA - Thomas Welsh, when he gets it going in the post (UNLV & Kentucky), Bruins become elite

USC - Jordan McLaughlin, maybe the highest upside PG in the Pac-12

Utah - Jakob Poeltl, the key to Utah's success every game this year, it goes through him

Washington - Andrew Andrews, all-name team and I've loved his game for a while

Washington State - Josh Hawkinson, very impressive post player in a year with a lot of good bigs in the
Pac-12


Goose - AllBuffs
Arizona - Ryan Anderson
Arizona State - Tra Holder
Cal - Ty Wallace
Colorado - Dom Collier
Oregon - Dylan Ennis
Oregon State - Gary Payton II
Stanford - Dorian Pickens
UCLA - Thomas Welsh
USC - Jordan McLaughlin
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


Rumblin - AllBuffs
Arizona - Ryan Anderson
Arizona State - Willie Atwood
Cal - Ty Wallace
Colorado - Brett Brady
Oregon - Chris Boucher
Oregon State - Gary Payton II
Stanford - the Tree
UCLA - Bryce Alford
USC - Jordan McLaughlin
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


jgisland - AllBuffs
Arizona - Allonzo Trier
Arizona State - Tra Holder, b/c at any minute Hurley may strangle him
Cal - Pick a frosh by game Rabb/Brown
Colorado - J40
Oregon - Tyler Dorsey... what could have been...
Oregon State - Gary Payton Jr.
Stanford - Dorian Pickens
UCLA - Thomas Welsh – ohh that mid-range game
USC - Jordan McLaughlin
Utah - Jakob Poeltl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson


CVilleBuff - AllBuffs
Arizona - Ryan Anderson
Arizona State - Tra Holder
Cal - Ivan Rabb -- He's a special piece on a freakishly athletic Cal squad. Seems to have a special knack for offensive rebounds from what I saw against UVA.

Colorado - Josh Scott
Oregon - Dillon Brooks
Oregon State - Gary Payton Jr.
Stanford - Rosco Allen
UCLA - Bryce Alford
USC - Katin Reinhardt
Utah - Jakob Poetl
Washington - Andrew Andrews
Washington State - Josh Hawkinson -- Wazzu struggles, but keep an eye on Hawkinson. He's completely overlooked.
 
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Surprise Riser Team in Pac-12?

Andrew Haubner - CU Independent - Oregon State

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com - Oregon State

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - USC

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - USC

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - I think this is the year USC makes teams pay for those close games they’ve lost, but if it has to be a surprise, it’s Arizona State. The fighting Bobby Hurley’s are tough as hell.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Arizona State. They've quickly put together arguably the best resume of any bubble team in the Pac12 and I'm very impressed with the early returns on Bobby Hurley. This team plays hard, and they will absolutely beat a few teams they shouldn't in Pac12 play.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Oregon State

Goose - AllBuffs - Oregon State

Rumblin - AllBuffs - USC - The Pac-12 is very deep this year, but most of those involved are familiar faces. Even Oregon State showed they had a pule last season, before a tough final stretch stunted their growth. The Trojans, however, have been a true doormat since the expansion to 12 teams. That will not be the case this winter, however. USC has proven to be a competent ballclub through non-conference play, and could fight for a middle-of-the-pack finish. Maybe "Captain Bucktooth"... er, Andy Enfield, has a clue, after all.

jgisland - AllBuffs - ASU - Hulrey is going to make them relevant in a hurry.

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Tough call as I think there are numerous teams better than expected. As a result, it may limit teams finishing wildly above where they were selected. However, I've been impressed with ASU. Hurley has come in and injected immediate life. The Sun Devils already boast wins over the likes of a ranked (#17 at the time) Texas A&M side, UNLV, NC State, and Creighton.
 
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Surprise Disappointment Team in Pac-12?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independent - UCLA

Andrew Haubner - CU Independent - Stanford

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - CAL

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - Arizona

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - If anyone disappoints, it’s going to be Cal. No doubt.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Utah. Outside of Poeltl nothing about them scares me at all, and their guard play is especially suspect. If I had more gumption I'd pick the Buffs to finish ahead of them in the league.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Cal

Goose - AllBuffs - Utah

Rumblin - AllBuffs - Stanford - It's not all that surprising, per se, to see them dropping games with regularity,
as the last few waves of talent have spent themselves upon the rocks, but Johnny Dawkins' squad is just... *meh*. I can't even bring myself to care about anyone on that roster. It's UW syndrome all over again. Bottom-quarter for a program that should be doing soooo much more.

jgisland - AllBuffs - Stanford, just fire Dawkins already.

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Stanford. It's not surprising that Stanford is mediocre under Dawkins. It's just surprising that they continue to tolerate it. This mediocre Stanford side stands to be one of the victims of such a deep Pac-12 this season.
 
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Player of the Year in Pac-12?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independentt - Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - Josh Scott, Colorado

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - If Oregon finishes second, Dillon Brooks has a real shot at this,
but I don’t see anyway Jakob Poeltl doesn’t get it at this point. He’s the conference’s best player by a wide margin.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Jakob Poeltl, Utah. Honestly this seems like a no brainer because everyone loves him and he's going to see a lot of touches because the rest of Utah's team is not that reliable. He's a monster on both ends, simple as that.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Goose - AllBuffs - Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Rumblin - AllBuffs - Josh Scott - I'm not kidding. The Buffs don't use him enough. He's special, and is playing like a special senior should be.

jgisland - AllBuffs - Jakob Poeltl, Utah

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Jakob Poeltl, Utah
 
Coach of the Year in Pac-12?

Andrew Haubner - CU Independentt - Wayne Tinkle, Oregon State

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com - Wayne Tinkle, Oregon State

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - Andy Enfield, USC

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - Tad Boyle, Colorado

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - This is the toughest award to decide. I think Sean Miller has a real chance.
I hate his roster, and he’s got them in a position to win the conference again.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Bobby Hurley. If the Buffs do finish 5th as I predicted above than he deserves to win in my eyes, but Hurley gets the nod. They lost a ton of talent and had very little expectations and they have really impressed in the last month or so. If that trend continues I see him getting the worthy recognition in his first year in the league.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Wayne Tinkle, Oregon State

Goose - AllBuffs - Wayne Tinkle, Oregon State

Rumblin - AllBuffs - Sean Miller, Arizona. The man is a witch doctor. How are they always this good on the glass?

jgisland - AllBuffs - Larry Krystkowiak, Utah. Miller can't win it every year, can he?

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Bobby Hurley, Arizona State
 
Freshman of the Year in Pac-12?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independent - Allonzo Trier, Arizona

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com - Ivan Rabb, Cal

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - Tyler Dorsey, Oregon

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - Tyler Dorsey, Oregon

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - Tyler Dorsey, Oregon. If he stays healthy. Trier is a real threat at UA, but Dorsey does it all. Kid is the real deal.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Ivan Rabb, Cal. I picked Jaylen Brown to start the year but Rabb has proven to be the more reliable of the two to this point in the year. I really really wanted to pick Dejounte Murray here but I don't think Washington will make enough noise to garner enough votes.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Jaylen Brown, Cal

Goose - AllBuffs - Allonzo Trier, Arizona

Rumblin - AllBuffs - Tyler Dorsey, Oregon. I'm taking KEYSER SOZE over Jaylen Brown, mostly because I think Dorsey is thebetter player right now. Hampered a little by injuries, he's still a really nice, efficient fit in Eugene.

jgisland - AllBuffs - Jaylen Brown, Cal

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Ivan Rabb, Cal
 
Defender of the Year in Pac-12?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independent - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com - Gary Payton II, Oregon State.... or Chris Boucher, Oregon

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com - Jakob Poeltl should get this. He’s sick. Seriously, I get quesey watching him move his feet.
It’s a thing of drunken beauty.

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com - Gary Payton II, Oregon State. There isn't even a contender. No one effects the defensive side of the ball like Payton. He may be the best perimeter defender in the entire country.

Buffnik - AllBuffs - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Goose - AllBuffs - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

Rumblin - AllBuffs - Gary Payton II, Oregon State. I think you have to give it to him, right?

jgisland - AllBuffss - Gary Payton II, Oregon State

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs - Gary Payton II, Oregon State
 
1st Team Pac-12 Starting 5?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independent
Tyrone Wallace, Cal
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Dillon Brooks, Oregon
Ryan Anderson, Arizona
Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Andrew Andrews, Washington
Tyrone Wallace, Cal
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Andrew Andrews, Washington
Tony Parker, UCLA

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Josh Scott, Colorado
Bryce Alford, UCLA
Tyrone Wallace, Cal
Dillon Brooks, Oregon

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com
Gary Payton II, Oregon
Isaac Hamilton, UCLA
Dillon Brooks, Oregon
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com
Jakob Poeltl - Utah
Josh Scott - colorado
Bryce Alford - UCLA
Ryan Anderson - Arizona
Dillon Brooks - Oregon

Buffnik - AllBuffs
Jordan McLaughlin, USC
Tyrone Wallace, Cal
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl, Utah

Goose - AllBuffs
Tyrone Wallace, Cal
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Allonzo Trier, Arizona

Rumblin - AllBuffs
Bryce Alford - UCLA
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Ryan Anderson, Arizona
Josh Scott, Colorado
Jakob Poeltl - Utah

jgisland - AllBuffs
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Gary Payton II, Oregon State
Josh Scott, Colorado
Ryan Anderson, Arizona
Bryce Alford, UCLA

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs
Jakob Poeltl, Utah
Josh Scott, Colorado
Ryan Anderson, Arizona
Gary Payton, Oregon State
Bryce Alford, UCLA
There are other strong candidates such as Andrew Andrews, but at the end of the day this is the most likely scenario if everyone remains healthy.
 
Pac-12 Teams that will make the Dance?


Andrew Haubner - CU Independent
Utah
Arizona
Oregon
Cal
Colorado
UCLA
Oregon State
USC (Play-In)

Adam Munsterteiger - BuffStampede.com
Arizona
Cal
Oregon State
Utah
Colorado
UCLA


Jake Shapiro - BSNDenver.com
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Oregon
UCLA

Ryan Koenigsberg - BSNDenver.com
Utah
UCLA
Arizona
Colorado
Oregon

Will Whelan - BuffStampede.com
Arizona
Oregon
Utah
UCLA
Cal
Colorado

Tyler Ziskin - BuffStampede.com
Arizona (3)
UCLA (5)
Oregon (6)
Utah (7)
Colorado (11)

Buffnik - AllBuffs
Arizona
Oregon
Utah
Colorado
UCLA
Oregon State
USC

Goose - AllBuffs
Arizona
Oregon
UCLA
Cal
Colorado

Rumblin - AllBuffs
Arizona
California
Colorado
Oregon
UCLA
and Utah solidly in, with USC and OSU fighting over a final, play-in/bubble bid.

jgisland - AllBuffs
Arizona
Utah
UCLA
Oregon
Cal

CVilleBuff - AllBuffs
Arizona
Utah
Cal
UCLA
Oregon
Colorado
This is the deepest the Pac has been since we joined and it's not even close. No one is elite, but the depth is outstanding. There is going to be cannibalization in conference play, but quality win opportunities are going to be numerous for everyone. ASU, OSU and USC will be in the bubble conversation, at least at some point.
 
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Thanks again to all that participated!

So what do we think AllBuffs? Is @Goose decision to go against the grain and exclude Utah from the Dance a wise one? Does Brett Brady have pictures of @RumblinBuff he doesn't want to go public, or is his 'Players To Watch' pick for CU a legit one? Should we all tar and feather @jgisland for being the only member on the panel not to pick our beloved Buffs to go dancing? Is anyone else wondering how the hell to pronounce Poeltl?

Let's see your picks. In the time honored AllBuffs tradition, prepare to be mocked later in the season.
 
Much thanks to everyone who participated and especially to @Scotch for pulling this together.

Looking forward to seeing some picks by others on all or part of it.
 
@Goose looking good after week one with his Utah predicted slip.

Funny thing with Cal. I picked them before the season to win the Pac-12 and then cooled on them in the non-conference season. But seeing their talent, that's the most talented team in the Pac-12 and has legit Final Four ability if they play defense like they did this week against CU and Utah.
 
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