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Pac 12 South Race

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This thing seems to get more wide open by the day. It will be an interesting first year in the division. With the way the fall is starting to shake out for the teams in it I am not nearly as sure as I was a few months ago on who would be battling for the conference crown.

ASU: Tons of injuries already, they are no longer the team that looked like they could be a dark horse candidate for a national title.
USC: Will not matter this year period.
Utah: Some things seem odd with the QB situation ATM. Wynn was reported to be very close to 100% months ago but is still seeing limited action in practice. Either the QB is not close to ready or the O-Line is not gelling and they fear for the QB's health. Either way not quite what I expected from Utah
UCLA: Havent heard a whole lot but with the weasel at the helm they are almost capable of anything. Could be great, could suck. We wont know until they get on the field
UA: Hadn't received the hype the offseason, but with a solid season could make a push late.
CU: I have a feeling that if we can get off to a good start could make a push for 2nd or 3rd in our division. Who knows what that rank will be in the conference but it would not surprise me at all if our date with Utah could be for 2nd in the division and for the south title by default.

I was fairly confident coming into the season that it would look like

USC
ASU
Utah
UA
CU
UCLA

But with the word coming out of these training camps, I am not so sure anymore.
 
-I thought ASU was in contention for the Pac 12 South but would never put them in the NC picture. Think the Pac champion is coming out of the North anyways.

-USC cannot play in post season but that does not mean that they couldn't sweep the South
 
Whatever... as long as we beat teh Utez it'll be a successful season in my eyes! :rolling_eyes:

/amidoingitrite?
 
Lots of questions. It's going to be interesting to see which team puts it all together, goes on a great run, and is able to finish 2nd to us.

OH YEAH!!!
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I should have clarified, the part about USC is geared towards not mattering is in terms of the championship game. I understand they can play spoiler but they will not matter as south champion is what I meant. My bad.

The ASU as NC dark horses was from quite a few articles I have read on them. People were really starting to look towards ASU as a team to make some noise this year.
 
None of ASU's injuries are killers in and of themselves yet. They're losing a lot of depth though. It'll depend how they hold up through the first four or five games.

Of the notable injuries, only Bolden is really going to truly damage the quality of player on the field. What most of them do is take out one more guy that's available to play at a solid level. They should still be able to beat anyone in the country and lose to anyone in the country based on turnovers. That just might change now as the season wears on if some of these guys don't come back.

As of right now, they have:

3 healthy DE's that they know are adequate or better.
3 healthy DT's they know are adequate or better
4 healthy LBs they know are adequate or better
3 healthy CBs they know are adequate or better
3 healthy safeties they know are good or better

If not for attrition, they'd have been two deep or better at every position on defense.

Offense isn't doing so bad on the injury side. Simpson's loss is overblown. Lewis should be getting ready to play soon. The offense will be fine unless the QB is hurt.
 
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ASU's biggest issue is team chemistry. Very fragile thing for them. They're scary if they start hot and get rolling. But this is a group that is just as likely to quit on Erickson and each other, too.
 
Buffnik said:
ASU's biggest issue is team chemistry. Very fragile thing for them. They're scary if they start hot and get rolling. But this is a group that is just as likely to quit on Erickson and each other, too.
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I don't really see that being an issue. Why do you think they dislike each other and will break if they struggle?
 
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I still think its a joke that ASU is the favorites to win win the south. They will start the conf schedule 1-3 with losses to USC, Utah and Oregon.

Utah has the "easiest" schedule in the south, and I see them facing Stanford in Palo Alto for the title.
 
wablty said:
I don't really see that being an issue. Why do you think they dislike each other?
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I've heard a bunch of stuff on this issue. Most of it is regarding dislike for Erickson and factions within the team. Plus, a good number of the recruits have been character or academic risks who had a lot of talent. When it clicks, it can work extremely well (see Miami under Erickson). When it doesn't, things can fall apart quickly.
 
Buffnik said:
I've heard a bunch of stuff on this issue. Most of it is regarding dislike for Erickson and factions within the team. Plus, a good number of the recruits have been character or academic risks who had a lot of talent. When it clicks, it can work extremely well (see Miami under Erickson). When it doesn't, things can fall apart quickly.
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I guess following the program perhaps I wear fan shades. I have not seen "a bunch" of stuff. There was a fight with Burfict and a walk on who tried to chop block him in practice and a graduated senior that was out of eligibility and unlikely to get a NFL job was upset. That's two. One wasn't on the team.
 
JimmyBuff said:
my predicted order of finish

1. USC
2. UCLA
3. ASU
4. Utah
5. Arizona
6. CU

USC isn't eligible to win the south so 2nd place will be the winner.
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Colorado wont finish last I can tell you that right now. Hawk never even finished last, Embree isn't going to. We will beat Arizona because we own them and their season will be well shot by the time we face them. We might lose to UCLA, but we will have a better conference record than them.
 
You guys are aware that other than the Oct1 game vs Washington state we will be the underdogs in the point spread in every conference game?


I say a 3-6 conference record would be great for Embree, 0-9 would be a disaster and 1 or 2 wins would be expected. Team has a lot of holes due to bad recruiting by Hawk. Embree needs another year or two to get some players in here.
 
Unleash Hell said:
Colorado wont finish last I can tell you that right now. Hawk never even finished last, Embree isn't going to. We will beat Arizona because we own them and their season will be well shot by the time we face them. We might lose to UCLA, but we will have a better conference record than them.
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Arizona has an offense, do we?


I like Embree but he hasn't coached one game yet and talent wise he is behind the 8 ball.
 
JimmyBuff said:
You guys are aware that other than the Oct1 game vs Washington state we will be the underdogs in the point spread in every conference game?


I say a 3-6 conference record would be great for Embree, 0-9 would be a disaster and 1 or 2 wins would be expected. Team has a lot of holes due to bad recruiting by Hawk. Embree needs another year or two to get some players in here.
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Underdogs doesn't mean we will lose the game. We are gonna surprise people this year, and I bet we are actually favored when we play Arizona. They will be 2-7 or 3-6 when we play them. And we have some players, enough players not to finish last.
 
UCLA plays:

Houston (never count houston out, but probably a W)
San Jose State W
Texas L

OSU W
Stanford L
WSU W
UA W
CAL W
ASU L
Utah L
CU W/L
USC L

That gives them 4 maybe 5 conference wins with only 1 maybe 2 coming in the south. They will not finish in second place.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
UCLA plays:

Houston (never count houston out, but probably a W)
San Jose State W
Texas L

OSU W
Stanford L
WSU W
UA W
CAL W
ASU L
Utah L
CU W/L
USC L

That gives them 4 maybe 5 conference wins with only 1 maybe 2 coming in the south. They will not finish in second place.
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UCLA will beat ASU. Payback game when they lost a big lead last year.

UCLA already beat Texas last year. I can see that happening again, Texas ain't that good.
 
Unleash Hell said:
Underdogs doesn't mean we will lose the game. We are gonna surprise people this year, and I bet we are actually favored when we play Arizona. They will be 2-7 or 3-6 when we play them. And we have some players, enough players not to finish last.
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We'll see. Just hope the people who have these big expectations for this team don't start getting negative on Embree and company when we aren't that good this year.
 
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