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Pachoops Previews The Buffs
- Thread starter Goose
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The record after Dinwiddie going down is a little misleading to me. The first couple games were awful but after that they really improved down the stretch. We made the semi finals in the Pac-12 tournament so it's not like we bottomed out. Arizona beat us bad as they probably should have and the NCAA game was bad too but there were glimpses of hope before that.
Happily, despite my recent pessimism I see the "love" option as more likely than the "hate" option. I wish I could just settle on a stance.
I have a feeling we'll see lots of the Love option and the Hate option at both points in time during this season.
I really can't fully respect the opinions of someone who doesn't include Boyz II Men on his list of Top 5 boy bands.
EricMetcalfe
Member
Backstreet Boys below LFO? Get outta here, AB.
pachoops
PacHoops Blogger
I'm going to struggle to defend the Boy Bands. That was a guest submission from Goose but I'll also note that he ain't far off. There are some damn power ballads on there. I will say that B2M sang following the final Niners home game and it made my buddy (huge Niners fan) cry. So there's that.
As for these Buffs (Buffaloes, Buffalos, Rumblin' Ralphies, Chapped Chips, Tenacious Tads, Boiled Boyles), they've been the most strangely previewed team I've seen. National guys skimming the roster and history see a team of returners and a heralded recruit and three-straight NCAAs. They're like "yeah, solid program." Those following it more closely remember some lackluster stuff from last season's "jump-start." I don't know if I love the jump-start idea. Am I mistaken or did Tad tear down all clippings of a summer long display of the Pitt score? It's not a jump-start, November is a fresh start.
As for these Buffs (Buffaloes, Buffalos, Rumblin' Ralphies, Chapped Chips, Tenacious Tads, Boiled Boyles), they've been the most strangely previewed team I've seen. National guys skimming the roster and history see a team of returners and a heralded recruit and three-straight NCAAs. They're like "yeah, solid program." Those following it more closely remember some lackluster stuff from last season's "jump-start." I don't know if I love the jump-start idea. Am I mistaken or did Tad tear down all clippings of a summer long display of the Pitt score? It's not a jump-start, November is a fresh start.
OK, before Adam throws me under the bus I'll do it myself.
I came up with the list.
This may have been a **** up on my part. But I didn't consider them a boy band. I probably should have, and included them and Another Bad Creation. ****, I also could have gone deep and done Motown groups (Temptations technically were a boy band I guess....), but I had 30 seconds to create the list. So I ****ed up. My bad.
Backstreet gets bonus points for "This Is The End", but LFO gave us the most unintentionally funny song ever in "Summer Girls". That gets them to #4 by itself.
EDIT - and he beat me to it.
I came up with the list.
This may have been a **** up on my part. But I didn't consider them a boy band. I probably should have, and included them and Another Bad Creation. ****, I also could have gone deep and done Motown groups (Temptations technically were a boy band I guess....), but I had 30 seconds to create the list. So I ****ed up. My bad.
Backstreet gets bonus points for "This Is The End", but LFO gave us the most unintentionally funny song ever in "Summer Girls". That gets them to #4 by itself.
EDIT - and he beat me to it.
I believe the scores come down the day before the Drexel game.
I like the idea of a jump start for [strike] two[/strike] three reasons:
(1) It gave the team time to adjust - that four game post spencer slide was rough, and I'm glad it's over.
(2) It showed the team (and Tad) what needed to be done in the offseason to address the deficiencies. That's why we now have a new offense.
(3) Post Spencer was also post Fletch. Fletch was our best frosh last year. I think that will really help.
Also, goose, you can't give LFO credit for the hummer girls spoof. Fool.
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BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
Losing Fletch the same game as the Mayor seems to be a sub plot overlooked by these "predictors".
Having to replace a main cog in the starting lineup mid-season can be devastating. Losing 2 in your top 7/8 players? That's a lot.
I hop TF proves me right and shows folks what he could have been at the end of last year. Let's hope he has a much bigger impact (and stays healthy) this year.
Having to replace a main cog in the starting lineup mid-season can be devastating. Losing 2 in your top 7/8 players? That's a lot.
I hop TF proves me right and shows folks what he could have been at the end of last year. Let's hope he has a much bigger impact (and stays healthy) this year.
What's somewhat perplexing to me is the way that folks are looking at the last 19 games of last season without Mayor.
9-10 record. Totally mediocre.
However, that's also 19 games played in-conference & conference tourney plus the Dance.
What I saw was an inconsistent team. When they struggled, they got blown out.
But I also look at everyone lining up to slobber Stanford's knob. Buffs won in their building post-Mayor.
Or the Utah love. Buffs split with them post-Mayor.
Cal? Lost in OT in their building and then beat them in the Pac-12 tourney post-Mayor.
Furthermore, it wasn't this year's team that was playing anyway. Tre Fletcher went down the same game Mayor did. Wes Gordon went down for a month between Feb 5th and Mar 5th, missing 2 games completely and not logging 25+ minutes in any other game during that time.
So, the most accurate thing to say is that the Buffs lost its superstar, lost its best freshman and had a starter out or hobbled... and still went 9-10 against Pac-12 & NCAAT teams.
Watch out, basketball fans, because these guys are good.
9-10 record. Totally mediocre.
However, that's also 19 games played in-conference & conference tourney plus the Dance.
What I saw was an inconsistent team. When they struggled, they got blown out.
But I also look at everyone lining up to slobber Stanford's knob. Buffs won in their building post-Mayor.
Or the Utah love. Buffs split with them post-Mayor.
Cal? Lost in OT in their building and then beat them in the Pac-12 tourney post-Mayor.
Furthermore, it wasn't this year's team that was playing anyway. Tre Fletcher went down the same game Mayor did. Wes Gordon went down for a month between Feb 5th and Mar 5th, missing 2 games completely and not logging 25+ minutes in any other game during that time.
So, the most accurate thing to say is that the Buffs lost its superstar, lost its best freshman and had a starter out or hobbled... and still went 9-10 against Pac-12 & NCAAT teams.
Watch out, basketball fans, because these guys are good.
The Wes thing is being seriously overlooked. He was hobbled all season. When healthy, I really think he brings a Kenyon Martin presence to the team (without the 20 ppg). Having him 100% healthy (and having Tory to throw in at spot minutes) is going to help Josh greatly.
forgot about wes. my bad. He wasn't ever close to the same after those injuries.
pachoops
PacHoops Blogger
Darth - great response and all very good notes. I'm fascinated by leadership and I think this year is a monster year when it comes to coaching acumen for Tad.
BehindEnemyLines - the Fletcher loss is easy to overlook but a very valid one. He missed out on the jump-start but now still has a full year in and around the program. That's huge.
BehindEnemyLines - the Fletcher loss is easy to overlook but a very valid one. He missed out on the jump-start but now still has a full year in and around the program. That's huge.
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
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Agree. Can't blame them for losing to Washington after Spencer went down. 3 of the remaining 4 games in January were tough even with Spencer: UCLA @home, UofA and ASU on the road. From Feb. 1st to the Pitt game they went 8-6, and they were a freshman/sophomore dominated team that had lost a potential lottery pick with most of the conference schedule remaining.
Hey Adam, good article as always!!!
Fletch and Wes. My bad again. Wes was our best frosh last year. Fletch was our best true frosh. Having those two back and healthy will be a huge upgrade even if they don't improve all that much from their frosh to soph years - something that we all know is unlikely given the general trend of big improvement between those two years.
And interesting comment about leadership. It's a solid point. Also, your preview suggested Tad - and CU - were lucky in how they came into the P12 and then sustained success. Luck being getting Dre, then, Spencer, having spencer grow six inches, then having a top level big man be in state.
But after a while, sustained success, if it's luck, will revert to the mean. Will CU revert this year? No more luck, unless you count Josh. It's gonna be with grit and coaching, and will be based entirely off of multiple generations of Tad recruits in Tad's system. The luck should even out. Big year for Tad to prove he deserves the statue that [MENTION=127]Goose[/MENTION] wants.
Isn't it great? :lol:
You're not much different, though.
Both of you will openly admit that you think this team will be good... and both of you are afraid to let yourself acknowledge (even inside your own heads) just how good you think this team can be.
I like the dark side. It's my natural state. Buff fans should not have good feelings. I had good feelings last year, and then Goose went ahead and cursed Spencer and ruined those feelings. My natural state as a fan is bitter disappointment, no matter the score.
wyobuff
Well-Known Member
There was a lot going on in right after both the mayor & fletch went down that probably contributed to losing some games. Spencer was the leader of the team, and everyone needed to adjust to new roles with out him. Just look at the graph of ski's assist rate after the mayor went down - it slowly starts to go up, and about 5 weeks later, it's 10% higher than it was before spencer and fletch went down.
These guys needed time to adjust to new roles, and if you toss out the games in january when they were reeling from injury (including the game @ Wash) they were a respectable 9-6 the rest of the way.
These guys needed time to adjust to new roles, and if you toss out the games in january when they were reeling from injury (including the game @ Wash) they were a respectable 9-6 the rest of the way.
BuffTE41
Member
As described above, they beat tournament team ASU and knocked off a Sweet-16 team in their house after losing Dinwiddie (lost on the buzzer to Cal at their house). 5 of the losses down the stretch were to UCLA and Arizona. I actually think the trend towards the end of the year was an overall upward one.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
We need a game and we need it ASAP. I have to get the image of Pitt hounding Scott from the paint to half court out of my head.
I would expect to see "insert team name here" hounding Scott from the paint to half-court until we find an answer. Lots of teams are going to look at the last two games of last year and try to attack us similarly.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Scott was literally hounded to half court. I'm not kidding. It wasn't simply getting him out of the paint. Pitt had size and physicality that 95% of teams lack.