Phil Steele and the Pac 12 South

[Gary Indiana]

SIAP. Phil Steele released his preseason rankings and he has the Buffs at 46th in the nation. A huge jump from last year when we were ranked 80th. That is quite a leap and a great indication of the progress we have made. Unfortunately the Pac 12 South is so stacked that even though he has us as a top 50 team, he predicted that we finish sub .500. So we can move up the rankings almost 40 spots and still only win 6 games. Brutal.

 

[BuffHerd]

P12 South is loaded.....

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

SIAP. Phil Steele released his preseason rankings and he has the Buffs at 46th in the nation. A huge jump from last year when we were ranked 80th. That is quite a leap and a great indication of the progress we have made. Unfortunately the Pac 12 South is so stacked that even though he has us as a top 50 team, he predicted that we finish sub .500. So we can move up the rankings almost 40 spots and still only win 6 games. Brutal.

At 46th in the nation, and not even .500, then what are the records of everyone else? There are 35 bowl games, so 70 slots. If we are #46 we should be bowling.

 

[Gary Indiana]

At 46th in the nation, and not even .500, then what are the records of everyone else? There are 35 bowl games, so 70 slots. If we are #46 we should be bowling.

The problem is that he has 7 of our opponents ranked ahead of us, leaving us only winning 6. That is the gauntlet of the Pac 12 right now. He is ranking us ahead of teams that will go bowling due to the fact that our record will not indicate just how good the Buffs really are. Take Marshall, Duke, and Pitt who are ranked just ahead of us for example, they will not be playing 7 teams this year that are ranked above them, so they will have much better records than us but Steele sees us as being on par with those teams.

 

[Bufffan68]

How much leeway does RG give Mac for trying to rebuild in the toughest division in all CFB? Does that even enter into his decision?...assuming a keep him/drop him decision becomes necessary.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

How much leeway does RG give Mac for trying to rebuild in the toughest division in all CFB? Does that even enter into his decision?...assuming a keep him/drop him decision becomes necessary.

No more excuses. Start competing and winning or we need to move on. The pac-12 is a tough conference. Better get used to it.

 

[Dark Bohner]

How much leeway does RG give Mac for trying to rebuild in the toughest division in all CFB? Does that even enter into his decision?...assuming a keep him/drop him decision becomes necessary.

I think some. As long as progress is being made, however slow, then RG will give MM some extra time.

 

[Buff_since76]

How much leeway does RG give Mac for trying to rebuild in the toughest division in all CFB? Does that even enter into his decision?...assuming a keep him/drop him decision becomes necessary.

In honor of the Federal Reserve meeting that's taking place, the answer is "Data Dependent".

If you win all OOC, and are extremely competitive 1-8 in conference, then yes a little patients and continue to build. Anything less patients runs thin.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

As long as HCMM shows progression he will stay. I don't think the excuse that conference is too tough will let him off the hook though should he go winless in Pac12 play again.

 

[sackman]

So long as we can see progress, MM is safe. I think RG knows how deep the hole was that MM was tasked to dig us out of.

You can win a lot of games with guys in recruiting classes ranked in the 50's if you keep them in the program and don't rely on them to contribute until they've been here at least two years. We're getting there.

 

[TDbuff]

I think Phil has an affinity for CU left over from the glory years, he tends to rate us higher than others. Always seems to bring us up in interviews as well, as a team that might surprise this year.

 

[EddieCrowder]

The P12 South is Murder's Row, Mike Mac should get more time, next year is the put up or shut up. Phil also had the Buffs at 10 on the Most Improved list. I also keep coming back to Mel Kiper last spring calling the Buff's 3rd most improved for this season. I am a complete glass 1/2 full guy and truly believe we go 4-0 NC and win 3 times in conference for 7 and a Bowl

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Think the only way HCMM leaves this season is if he doesn't win a game in conference play. Obviously home losses to UMass and Nicholls State could change that equation a bit, but Pac-12 Play is the key I think.

 

[Gary Indiana]

In honor of the Federal Reserve meeting that's taking place, the answer is "Data Dependent".

If you win all OOC, and are extremely competitive 1-8 in conference, then yes a little patients and continue to build. Anything less patients runs thin.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

In honor of the Federal Reserve meeting that's taking place, the answer is "Data Dependent".

If you win all OOC, and are extremely competitive 1-8 in conference, then yes a little patients and continue to build. Anything less patients runs thin.

 

[89BUFF89]

We need to beat everyone ranked lower than us for 6 wins then pull the upset of AZ at home I guess.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

No more excuses. Start competing and winning or we need to move on. The pac-12 is a tough conference. Better get used to it.

I think some. As long as progress is being made, however slow, then RG will give MM some extra time.

Ill reserve judgment until Ive seen some games played. In my mind this is the first decent coach in well over a decade. Im not inclined to take the risk of chaining coaches again unless he and team have clearly taken a step backwards. If they win 6, bowl or no bowl, Ill be pretty happy.

 

[J.R. Ewing]

Ill reserve judgment until Ive seen some games played. In my mind this is the first decent coach in over a decade. Im not inclined to take the risk of chaining coaches again unless he and team have clearly taken a step backwards. If they win 6, bowl or no bowl, Ill be pretty happy.

If we win 6 it will mean we beat all the teams we should have and 2 teams that we shouldn't have.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

We need to beat everyone ranked lower than us for 6 wins then pull the upset of AZ at home I guess.

For people without the subscription, below us according to phil steele

65 WSU
84 OSU
85 CSU
95 UMass
100 Hawaii
NR Nicholls St

Best shot at pulling off 7 would then be AZ at home or Utah on the road. Really thinking about making the trip to SLC this year, and if there is a bowl game on the line it would make the trip that much better.

 

[J.R. Ewing]

For people without the subscription, below us according to phil steele

65 WSU
84 OSU
85 CSU
95 UMass
100 Hawaii
NR Nicholls St

Best shot at pulling off 7 would then be AZ at home or Utah on the road. Really thinking about making the trip to SLC this year, and if there is a bowl game on the line it would make the trip that much better.

I like that we play Utah at the end of the year. They have a berserk front 7 but they're really thin at some spots like CB, RB, and WR. If they have some injuries stack up there, they could be pretty beatable.

 

[Quattro]

I like that we play Utah at the end of the year. They have a berserk front 7 but they're really thin at some spots like CB, RB, and WR. If they have some injuries stack up there, they could be pretty beatable.

Utah has been beatable every year we've played them, I don't see 2015 being any different. Utah also has a lot of turmoil in their AD and have switched coordinators like I change my underwear.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we are favored over Oregon State, or if it's a pick em game. Relative to everyone else in CFB, they have nothing returning.

Edit: Read the line long from last year. Home field advantage is still worth roughly 3.5 points. (CBF HFA, BTN)

 

[sackman]

I actually think we have a better chance of beating Stanford or USC at home than we do Arizona. USC is the most arrogant college football team in America. That arrogance bites them in the ass at least once a year. I'm thinking that we have a shot, in the cold at night in mid November.

 

[Big Jim]

Utah also has a lot of turmoil in their AD and have switched coordinators like I change my underwear.

Once a year?

 

[Quattro]

Yep

 

[Burrito]

Utah has been beatable every year we've played them, I don't see 2015 being any different. Utah also has a lot of turmoil in their AD and have switched coordinators like I change my underwear.

I wouldn't be too surprised if we are favored over Oregon State, or if it's a pick em game. Relative to everyone else in CFB, they have nothing returning.

Edit: Read the line long from last year. Home field advantage is still worth roughly 3.5 points. (CBF HFA, BTN)

Once a year?

Yep

This is my favorite exchange on allbuffs in 2015.

 

[letsgoavs192]

For people without the subscription, below us according to phil steele

65 WSU
84 OSU
85 CSU
95 UMass
100 Hawaii
NR Nicholls St

Best shot at pulling off 7 would then be AZ at home or Utah on the road. Really thinking about making the trip to SLC this year, and if there is a bowl game on the line it would make the trip that much better.

We can def beat Utah. And if we really do make as much of an improvement as some think we will we are capable of winning a game or two that doesn't look winnable right now.

 

[GoonieBuff]

At 46th in the nation, and not even .500, then what are the records of everyone else? There are 35 bowl games, so 70 slots. If we are #46 we should be bowling.

Records and power rankings are two very different things. I'm assuming that's how a top 50 team could finish sub .500.

 

[GoonieBuff]

Yep

Too bad that [MENTION=807]Skidmark[/MENTION] is already taken.

 

[89BUFF89]

I actually think we have a better chance of beating Stanford or USC at home than we do Arizona. USC is the most arrogant college football team in America. That arrogance bites them in the ass at least once a year. I'm thinking that we have a shot, in the cold at night in mid November.

Not saying it can't happen but USC has absolutely owned us, we've never beaten them.

 

[sackman]

Not saying it can't happen but USC has absolutely owned us, we've never beaten them.

We're due.